Sosun Patta translation please

Gonzalo G · 14th June 2009, 02:23 AM

Congratulations for your purchase, Gav. I hope to see soon many pictures of your sousson pata. If you don´t mind, I will ask for measures and weight. I dream (vainly) of having a sword of this kind.
Regards

Gonzalo

bhushan_lawate · 15th June 2009, 05:05 AM

Hi,

I'm not sure what the letters stand for; looks more like an abbreviation or an initial of something.

However i believe that the "Num" indicates that this inventory number must have been "punched" in the last century.

Earlier the Inidan armouries did not use such a convention.

Also "Num" stands for "Number" which is now widely used across India in all languages; this wasnt the case earlier.

Regards,
Bhushan

Gavin Nugent · 16th June 2009, 04:18 AM

Thanks again Bhushan;

How do you think this "stamping" of the code came about?

I'd say the weapon is a lot older than the last hundred years, but how old I honestly have no idea as to an approx time period. I think images when they come to hand will certainly help.

Does anyone have any insight in to the comings and goings of the Sosun Patta in a historical time line as such, when they first appeared as a Sosun Patta and when the were last seen in active service?

I also wonder about the damascus steel seen in the image above, would it be considered birds eye damascus?

Thanks again.

Gav

RSWORD · 16th June 2009, 05:52 PM

Am looking forward to complete pictures of the sword and better detailed pics of the blade and the pattern. From what we can see in the pic provided, the blade is of pattern welded steel. I would not classify it as a bird's eye pattern as the circular patterns we see are much more elongated than what you typically see associated with the bird's eye pattern. That pattern the circular patterns are much tighter and in closer proximation that what is pictured. However, the pattern shown does show promise to being an active pattern weld probably with the circular patterns throughout the central portion of the blade and I would guess some wavy, longitudinal laminations along the edge and possibly along the spine.

Jim McDougall · 23rd June 2009, 07:10 AM

Thank you so much Rick for your insight on the metallurgy of this fascinating piece! I am always amazed at your astute eye in discerning the sometimes very intricate detail in these blade patterns.
I am hoping this information will help in trying to assess the likely provenance of this sword, which has a hilt quite unusual...really looking forward to seeing more on it when it arrives in Gav's lair!!!!

All the best,
Jim

Gavin Nugent · 27th September 2009, 08:36 PM

It has been some time, images as promised, keeper keeper keeper!!!

http://www.swordsantiqueweapons.com/s085_full.html

I absolutely love this sword and I would have loved to have bought Artzi's Wootz example he recently parted with, it seemed to be of similar form in the blade.
The Sosun is my fav by far, and as a favorite it exceeds even the rarest of Chinese weapons I have in my collection and that is a big call for me.

Gav

Jens Nordlunde · 27th September 2009, 09:16 PM

It seems to me that most, if not all, the armoury markings are
'relativity' new, although the blade/sword could be a lot older .

16th June 2009, 04:18 AM	#3
Gavin Nugent Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,818	Thank you again Thanks again Bhushan; How do you think this "stamping" of the code came about? I'd say the weapon is a lot older than the last hundred years, but how old I honestly have no idea as to an approx time period. I think images when they come to hand will certainly help. Does anyone have any insight in to the comings and goings of the Sosun Patta in a historical time line as such, when they first appeared as a Sosun Patta and when the were last seen in active service? I also wonder about the damascus steel seen in the image above, would it be considered birds eye damascus? Thanks again. Gav Last edited by freebooter; 16th June 2009 at 09:19 AM.

27th September 2009, 08:36 PM	#6
Gavin Nugent Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,818	Images as promised It has been some time, images as promised, keeper keeper keeper!!! http://www.swordsantiqueweapons.com/s085_full.html I absolutely love this sword and I would have loved to have bought Artzi's Wootz example he recently parted with, it seemed to be of similar form in the blade. The Sosun is my fav by far, and as a favorite it exceeds even the rarest of Chinese weapons I have in my collection and that is a big call for me. Gav Last edited by freebooter; 28th September 2009 at 01:28 AM.

14th June 2009, 02:23 AM	#1
Gonzalo G Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Nothern Mexico Posts: 458	Congratulations for your purchase, Gav. I hope to see soon many pictures of your sousson pata. If you don´t mind, I will ask for measures and weight. I dream (vainly) of having a sword of this kind. Regards Gonzalo

15th June 2009, 05:05 AM	#2
bhushan_lawate Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: India Posts: 77	Hi, I'm not sure what the letters stand for; looks more like an abbreviation or an initial of something. However i believe that the "Num" indicates that this inventory number must have been "punched" in the last century. Earlier the Inidan armouries did not use such a convention. Also "Num" stands for "Number" which is now widely used across India in all languages; this wasnt the case earlier. Regards, Bhushan

16th June 2009, 05:52 PM	#4
RSWORD Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Greensboro, NC Posts: 1,087	Am looking forward to complete pictures of the sword and better detailed pics of the blade and the pattern. From what we can see in the pic provided, the blade is of pattern welded steel. I would not classify it as a bird's eye pattern as the circular patterns we see are much more elongated than what you typically see associated with the bird's eye pattern. That pattern the circular patterns are much tighter and in closer proximation that what is pictured. However, the pattern shown does show promise to being an active pattern weld probably with the circular patterns throughout the central portion of the blade and I would guess some wavy, longitudinal laminations along the edge and possibly along the spine.

23rd June 2009, 07:10 AM	#5
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,282	Thank you so much Rick for your insight on the metallurgy of this fascinating piece! I am always amazed at your astute eye in discerning the sometimes very intricate detail in these blade patterns. I am hoping this information will help in trying to assess the likely provenance of this sword, which has a hilt quite unusual...really looking forward to seeing more on it when it arrives in Gav's lair!!!! All the best, Jim

27th September 2009, 09:16 PM	#7
Jens Nordlunde Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 2,718	It seems to me that most, if not all, the armoury markings are 'relativity' new, although the blade/sword could be a lot older .