Review 'The Javanese Kris'

[Mytribalworld]

Originally Posted by asomotif

Well, the front is different for starters.
And less pages... maybe less pictures, that would save some money.
The price is really low compared to Eur 75 here in Europe.

Maybe Arjan / Mandaukudi knows. He has Groneman in his bookshop.
(together with an enormous bunch of other nice and very nice upto mega nice books

Hi Willem,

Thanks for the compliment.

About Gronemann , I will contact the publisher about it. I think they will indeed make a USA edition what has some less pictures than the original edition. The edition should be limited to 500 copies to the information I have recieved from the publisher.( I also noted one large bookstore was out of stock) Also the rigths on the photo's are calculated on 500 editions. I can imagine that they have dropped a few pics to keep the book below the price of 90 dollar printing extra editions for the USA market.

But as I already said I will check if this is correct,

friendly regards,

Arjan.

[Mytribalworld]

Originally Posted by mandaukudi

Hi Willem,

Thanks for the compliment.

About Gronemann , I will contact the publisher about it. I think they will indeed make a USA edition what has some less pictures than the original edition. The edition should be limited to 500 copies to the information I have recieved from the publisher.( I also noted one large bookstore was out of stock) Also the rigths on the photo's are calculated on 500 editions. I can imagine that they have dropped a few pics to keep the book below the price of 90 dollar printing extra editions for the USA market.

But as I already said I will check if this is correct,

friendly regards,

Arjan.

Hi everyone,

Just called the original publisher about it.
He will certainly not sell the book to amazon.

He also doesn't know how Amazon got the incorrect info.
The cover they use is actually one of the first pre-published design covers.
Also thenumber of pagess is indeed not correct.

So the book is still only available in the Netherlands in the better bookshop.

The book is indeed a high price but I have still not heared any buyer who said"" The book isn't worth it" evrone is very glad with it.
Its surely not a normal kerisbook like so many dive up frequently.
To compensate the shippingcosts I can offer a free shipping for 5 copies to the USA. I can send them as cluster pack.
So is you can find 4 other collectors who join in in the USA it may help.
friendly regards,

Arjan.

[Rick]

That is a handsome offer Arjan !
Please put up a post for signing up in Swap .

[kulbuntet]

Hi All,

The price of 65 euro is at kadoshop wolters... sold by them on marktplaats.nl

I can post a link to their add.. but i dont.. last time i did a link post to a item being sold..... i got a ban for a week... so figure this one out your selfs guys..

[Albert]

A lot is said about prices and shipping, but not much about the book itself. I am very curious what other collectors think of the contents of 'The Javanese Kris'. Look forward to more opinions.

Albert

[David]

Originally Posted by Albert

A lot is said about prices and shipping, but not much about the book itself. I am very curious what other collectors think of the contents of 'The Javanese Kris'. Look forward to more opinions.

Albert

Probably because alot of us are still trying to figure out where to find this book and how to get it shipped so that it is affordable for us. I am sure that more actual reviews will come once people actually have it in their possession to read.

[asomotif]

I found the original German version at Eur 1250,-

Now that is expensive, and difficult to read for a lot of us...

[Maurice]

Originally Posted by kulbuntet

Hi All,

The price of 65 euro is at kadoshop wolters... sold by them on marktplaats.nl

I can post a link to their add.. but i dont.. last time i did a link post to a item being sold..... i got a ban for a week... so figure this one out your selfs guys..

Just banned for a week???? Lucky you!
In a "kadoshop" I only buy a vase for my wife at mothersday. Tribal art books I buy from Arjan!

[Rick]

This thread has been re-opened for further discussion of *the book* ; not where to buy it .

I have received my copy and am in the reading process .

More later ..

[ganjawulung]

Originally Posted by Rick

I have received my copy and am in the reading process .

OTW, and not yet received the copy of this English translation from the original German book. But I have the "Indonesian Version" (translated from the German Version, by Stanley Hendrawidjaja, Dipl Ing a German university alumnus). So, just Indonesian translation and with minimal illustrations quoted from the original book.

This is of course a much quoted book by such other keris books as Garrett & Bronwen Solyom (The World of the Javanese Kris), Dr WH Rassers (On the Javanese Kris), Wolfgang Spielmann (Der Javanische Keris), Ing GJFJ Tammens (De Kris, Magic Relic of Old Indonesia) et cetera...

Written in the "rich period" of javanese kingdoms of Yogyakarta Sultanate (during Hamengku Buwana VII who reigned 1877-1921) and Solo or Surakarta Sunanate (during Paku Buwana X who reigned 1893-1939). And Dr Isaac Groneman himself was living from 1832-1912... He was working as a professional doctor at Yogyakarta karaton (palace), and was married to grand grand grand daughter of Hamengku Buwana I -- the founder of Yogyakarta after "palihan nagari" (the division of Mataram since 1755). Spent his last days in this beloved world in the Netherland, and had written some books, including periodical writings in Internationales Archiv fur Etnographie...

This book is regarded so important by keris people, because this is not only a "solo centris" keris book, but I think quite both sides of the two mainstreams in Javanese keris world: Yogyakarta and Surakarta. (He quoted the Solo version of types of keris which was written in 1871 (in javanese language) by FL Winter "Serat Bab Pratelanipun Dapur Duwung mawi Kawujudan Gambar 51" (Notes on Keris' Dapurs with 51 pictures), but also quoted 118 types of dapur keris manuscript owned and kept by karaton of Yogyakarta.

Mr Groneman was lucky to have opportunity to observe from beginning to end of the traditional process of making 5 (five) kerises which was commissioned by Regierungsrat Franz Heger from Austria in the besalen of Pura Pakualaman (a Yogyakarta Principality which has both styles in keris, combination of Solonese and Yogyakartan style).

Groneman said, that the five choice of pamors for the five kerises, were: (1) wos wutah, (2) blaraq ngirid, (3) sekar pala, (4) sekar ngadeg, and (5) sekar temu... And some of the pamor materials were of "meteorite pamor of Prambanan" (which once fell at the area of/near Prambanan temple)...

The works of the kerises were made by a "pande keris" (an empu) in Pakualaman Principality, named Ngabehi Karyadikrama who was assisted by three panjaqs (keris maker assistants) and one niece of him. The process of the traditional keris making in Pakualaman was including the "sajen" (offerings)rituals. Groneman wrote the process in a very descriptive details of keris making's aspects.

Of course, this is a book of good reference for every Keris' connoisseur...

GANJAWULUNG