Visayan "pinuti"

tom hyle · 1st May 2005, 01:42 PM

The doghead hilt on Rick's sword is sometimes seen on European machete blades. The usual attribution is PI. Thanks for the instructions on posting ebay links, Rick; one time when I'm less clouded I'll try to understand them; I may even succeed. For now, one such sword with a leather scabbard is ebay # 6527728238 (closed auction). I recently got an English Mole blade of very similar form mounted in a wooden boot type handle (usually considered Mexican; it's a Mexican style cowboy boot....), and in an identical sheath (including the suspension system) to the ebay one. Pancolonialism?........

Rick · 1st May 2005, 02:13 PM

It's not really a dog Tom .
It looks much more like the WWII era Elzie Segar cartoon character 'Jeep' from Popeye ; some of us older members might remember him .
But then if it is Span Am war era it could be more of a demon head of sorts , albeit a friendly one .

tom hyle · 1st May 2005, 02:34 PM

I see what you're saying; I was going by the ears and thinking the rest fell under the category of stylization. Looks more like a cat, I suppose (the side view looks a bit like the Penn State cougar), or Eugene the Jeep (I recall it at least sometimes having said name

I suppose that makes the Jeep male, but who knows what it is? It isn't quite a baby.....). The ears, if anything, are bearlike, but could fall within cat or dog pretty easily, I think. Are there bears in PI? I'd expect so, but don't know. Interesting work on the ferule. Is the guard iron then?

Rick · 1st May 2005, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by tom hyle

I see what you're saying; I was going by the ears and thinking the rest fell under the category of stylization. Looks more like a cat, I suppose (the side view looks a bit like the Penn State cougar), or Eugene the Jeep (I recall it at least sometimes having said name

I suppose that makes the Jeep male, but who knows what it is? It isn't quite a baby.....). The ears, if anything, are bearlike, but could fall within cat or dog pretty easily, I think. Are there bears in PI? I'd expect so, but don't know. Interesting work on the ferule. Is the guard iron then?

Hi Tom , after giving the spine of the blade a close look with a strong magnifying glass I've come to the conclusion that there is a center core with cheeks of steel laminated on either side of the blade . This is most evident before the clip begins . So this would be a san mai type of construction then ?
I believe the guard is made from the same material as the cheeks ; I drew a file across a small part of the edge of the guard .

Ian · 1st May 2005, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by tom hyle

The doghead hilt on Rick's sword is sometimes seen on European machete blades. The usual attribution is PI. ... For now, one such sword with a leather scabbard is ebay # 6527728238 (closed auction). I recently got an English Mole blade of very similar form mounted in a wooden boot type handle (usually considered Mexican; it's a Mexican style cowboy boot....), and in an identical sheath (including the suspension system) to the ebay one. Pancolonialism?........

Tom:

I think those Mole swords with the Caribbean treatment almost always come from the West Indies. The one that you list has a scabbard marked Trinidad BWI (British West Indies) -- mostly WWII vintage I think. Quite common to see these with carved native heads on the hilts, and a wire wrap to the lower area of the hilt is common too.

Ian.

tom hyle · 1st May 2005, 04:12 PM

I agree (the one on ebay is wrapped in string, but wire is more common, and is what is on my boot sword, and is also common on N American both Indian and rural/low-caste work, too.), but what I find interesting is the form of the head; it is not one I see on ID'd Caribean stuff, but usually as PI.....do you think this is basically a matter of common mis-ID, and the type is Caribean? The head on Rick's is a bit different, but mainly in the nose, and seems to fit the category, while the blade, etc. are clearly PI....coincidence?

1st May 2005, 02:13 PM	#2
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,376	It's not really a dog Tom . It looks much more like the WWII era Elzie Segar cartoon character 'Jeep' from Popeye ; some of us older members might remember him . But then if it is Span Am war era it could be more of a demon head of sorts , albeit a friendly one . Attached Images Last edited by Rick; 1st May 2005 at 10:26 PM.

1st May 2005, 04:12 PM	#6
tom hyle Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Houston, TX, USA Posts: 1,254	I agree (the one on ebay is wrapped in string, but wire is more common, and is what is on my boot sword, and is also common on N American both Indian and rural/low-caste work, too.), but what I find interesting is the form of the head; it is not one I see on ID'd Caribean stuff, but usually as PI.....do you think this is basically a matter of common mis-ID, and the type is Caribean? The head on Rick's is a bit different, but mainly in the nose, and seems to fit the category, while the blade, etc. are clearly PI....coincidence? Last edited by tom hyle; 1st May 2005 at 05:31 PM.

1st May 2005, 01:42 PM	#1
tom hyle Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Houston, TX, USA Posts: 1,254	The doghead hilt on Rick's sword is sometimes seen on European machete blades. The usual attribution is PI. Thanks for the instructions on posting ebay links, Rick; one time when I'm less clouded I'll try to understand them; I may even succeed. For now, one such sword with a leather scabbard is ebay # 6527728238 (closed auction). I recently got an English Mole blade of very similar form mounted in a wooden boot type handle (usually considered Mexican; it's a Mexican style cowboy boot....), and in an identical sheath (including the suspension system) to the ebay one. Pancolonialism?........

1st May 2005, 02:34 PM	#3
tom hyle Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Houston, TX, USA Posts: 1,254	I see what you're saying; I was going by the ears and thinking the rest fell under the category of stylization. Looks more like a cat, I suppose (the side view looks a bit like the Penn State cougar), or Eugene the Jeep (I recall it at least sometimes having said name I suppose that makes the Jeep male, but who knows what it is? It isn't quite a baby.....). The ears, if anything, are bearlike, but could fall within cat or dog pretty easily, I think. Are there bears in PI? I'd expect so, but don't know. Interesting work on the ferule. Is the guard iron then?