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Old 29th May 2009, 12:11 PM   #1
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Now you're getting into deep waters...

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Another cannon Fernando I think you should have a new nickname ....pouco canhão

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Now you're getting into deep waters... : )
Ah, Manolo.
... and you just popped in to help sinking me

Fernando ... Nando ... canhãozinho
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Old 29th May 2009, 09:06 PM   #3
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Don't blame me, consider that if you'd just let go of your cannon, then you won't sink.



OTOH, just floating around weaponless would be so boring, not to mention, you wouldn't be able to defend yerself from pirate attacks!

Nasty buggers, those pirates...






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Ah, Manolo.
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Fernando ... Nando ... canhãozinho
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Old 31st May 2009, 04:22 PM   #4
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Back to the topic, folks:

Please note how rugged the upper end of the oakwood forestock of the famos Berne gun (ca. 1400) is from pulling over the two iron barrel bands; see image below.

Fernando, if I were you I would not try restocking your cute little barrel. You would have to restore the hook as well which, in my opinion, would harm the barrel surface.

Maybe you will consider exhibiting it together with an image of the Suhl gun. I feel that that would be more convincing from both the curatorial and the collector's point of view.

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... if I were you I would not try restocking your cute little barrel. You would have to restore the hook as well which, in my opinion, would harm the barrel surface ...
Duly noted; however if i did it, it would be some digestive set up, made by the handy carpenter around the corner ... no qualified restoring but also no atempt to reproduce that complex hook. Just a raw stock and a simple iron sheet strap holding the barrel ... no agression to the barrel surface.
But your advice will surely be on for a long sedimentation period.

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Back to the topic, folks:

Please note how rugged the upper end of the oakwood forestock of the famos Berne gun (ca. 1400 to early 15th century) is from pulling over the two iron barrel bands; see image below.

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Grrrr, here is the Berne gun finally

The hook, as I noted several times, is a working amendment of ca. 1430-40.

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Default How Early 15th Century Handguns Like the Berne Gun Were Aimed

Three illustrations from a book on warfare by Johann Hartlieb, 1436, showing tiller handguns being aimed by the support of small targes (Austrian State Library Vienna, Cod. 3062).

Ignition is still done manually, by the use of small igniting irons and sometimes by another man, and the short barrel guns do not yet have recoil hooks. This sort of backs up my thesis that hooks did not seem to have appeared before ca. the 1430's-40's.

I owe the images to Ed - thanks, my friend!

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EXCELENT PICTURES
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