Random chosen pictures of the Oriental beauties

tom hyle · 30th April 2005, 01:12 PM

Any thoughts concerning the round-wire butted mail in the close-up? This does not seem like high quality mail meant for use?
The lower 1/2 of that same helmet could almost be an ancient European spangenhelm, decoration and all.

wolviex · 30th April 2005, 03:37 PM

Jim, Jens, Kirill, Radu and other Friends.

Thank you for yor opinions and my apologies for my inactivity, but my knowledge in this subject let me only feel happiness I have bring you joy and intellectual entertainment with my pictures.

Sorry to confront you my Friends, but you have mentioned few different names as a place of birth for the Indian sabre: Mysore (Radu) and Jeypore (Jens) - are these the same or different places on Earth? I understand we can agree it's South Indian region, anyway?

Do you agree with the Varuma (Jim's words) theory?

Jens: base of the sabre is made of silver, probably, because I haven't got this object before my eyes at the moment, but for sure this is not gold.

About the Sind helmet and armour. I don't have a photo of it, but I scaned it from prof. Zygulski book "Stara broń...".

Jim and Kirill: thank you for outstanding discussion about the sabre, please go on and don't stop. Here is a picture of medalion on the blade, where, as I believe, is something written on it. Unfortunatelly it's very hard visible even with the naked eye. Maybe you'll have any idea about it with your great knowledge. And I'm sorry if it is upside down or something

Radu: are you going to stop on 7 & 8 pictures. Come on, don't be shy, I'm waiting for your explanation of other objects

Regards!

PS. If I forget to answer someone's question, please remind me it

Jens Nordlunde · 30th April 2005, 04:26 PM

Hi Wolviex,
It is quite obvious to anyone, that this is enamel work of a very high quality, and although there were very able craftsmen in many places in India, there were centres especially known for exquisite work. Some was famous for enamel work on gold, others on silver and others on copper, although copper was used less than the other two metals, due to the quality of the colours. The colours were brighter and showed better when made on Gold or silver – sometimes gilded silver.

The reason for me to say Jeypore is from what I have seen of enamel, but as I have said, I am no expert, so if Radu insists on Mysore, I will have him have the last word.

Jeypore/Jaipur is in Rajputana/Rajasthan, to the NW, and Mysore is to the SW, so it is two places quite apart from one another.

I like the plated mail shirt together with the helmet

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Jens

30th April 2005, 03:37 PM	#2
wolviex Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Poland, Krakow Posts: 418	Jim, Jens, Kirill, Radu and other Friends. Thank you for yor opinions and my apologies for my inactivity, but my knowledge in this subject let me only feel happiness I have bring you joy and intellectual entertainment with my pictures. Sorry to confront you my Friends, but you have mentioned few different names as a place of birth for the Indian sabre: Mysore (Radu) and Jeypore (Jens) - are these the same or different places on Earth? I understand we can agree it's South Indian region, anyway? Do you agree with the Varuma (Jim's words) theory? Jens: base of the sabre is made of silver, probably, because I haven't got this object before my eyes at the moment, but for sure this is not gold. About the Sind helmet and armour. I don't have a photo of it, but I scaned it from prof. Zygulski book "Stara broń...". Jim and Kirill: thank you for outstanding discussion about the sabre, please go on and don't stop. Here is a picture of medalion on the blade, where, as I believe, is something written on it. Unfortunatelly it's very hard visible even with the naked eye. Maybe you'll have any idea about it with your great knowledge. And I'm sorry if it is upside down or something Radu: are you going to stop on 7 & 8 pictures. Come on, don't be shy, I'm waiting for your explanation of other objects Regards! PS. If I forget to answer someone's question, please remind me it Attached Images

30th April 2005, 04:26 PM	#3
Jens Nordlunde Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 2,718	Hi Wolviex, It is quite obvious to anyone, that this is enamel work of a very high quality, and although there were very able craftsmen in many places in India, there were centres especially known for exquisite work. Some was famous for enamel work on gold, others on silver and others on copper, although copper was used less than the other two metals, due to the quality of the colours. The colours were brighter and showed better when made on Gold or silver – sometimes gilded silver. The reason for me to say Jeypore is from what I have seen of enamel, but as I have said, I am no expert, so if Radu insists on Mysore, I will have him have the last word. Jeypore/Jaipur is in Rajputana/Rajasthan, to the NW, and Mysore is to the SW, so it is two places quite apart from one another. I like the plated mail shirt together with the helmet. Jens Last edited by Jens Nordlunde; 30th April 2005 at 04:39 PM.

30th April 2005, 01:12 PM	#1
tom hyle Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Houston, TX, USA Posts: 1,254	Any thoughts concerning the round-wire butted mail in the close-up? This does not seem like high quality mail meant for use? The lower 1/2 of that same helmet could almost be an ancient European spangenhelm, decoration and all.