Blades from Sarawak, Malaysia

Amuk Murugul · 8th May 2009, 12:21 AM

Hullo everybody!

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Originally Posted by VANDOO

THE HEADHUNTING DAYS WERE OVER LONG AGO........

.... unfortunately not TOTALLY... ask the people of Kalimantan... all that's needed is ... the RIGHT EXCUSE...

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David · 8th May 2009, 01:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Amuk Murugul

Hullo everybody!

.... unfortunately not TOTALLY... ask the people of Kalimantan... all that's needed is ... the RIGHT EXCUSE...

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I've heard stories of heads being taken as late as the early 70s.
I look forward to seeing the blades on some of these Dinggat. Until then we are only really guessing.

Amuk Murugul · 8th May 2009, 01:37 AM

Hullo again,

Quote:

Originally Posted by David

I've heard stories of heads being taken as late as the early 70s.
.........

..Actually... as recent as 2001... when there was inter-ethnic trouble ... at the time, it wasn't that rare to see a Dajak walking in the street with a weapon in one hand and a head dangling in the other. Apparently many Dajaks still retain their keen senses, especially the sense of smell. Enough of this gore....
I really came back to take advantage of this thread and post pix for ID of some ex-Kalimantan pieces in my collection (not really my area). Just a general ID is OK.

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Maurice · 8th May 2009, 07:13 AM

According to the book of Evans about North Borneo tribes, the "podang" he is calling a "pedang" was used also in North Borneo (Sabah). There is also a pic of a man carrying a "podang" with him.
Also the Ibans, as already known, liked this sword to be handled.

Evans is saying that "probably" these blades were made in Brunei. This State lies between Sarawak and Sabah, so in my opinion this could be true. Does anyone has read other information written about it?

Dinggat, you should buy yourself the book "iban art" from Heppell. It is a very nice book with nice pictures (You can also see this "podang" in it.)

PS. the dayakswords your grandmother has in her house looks like the real thing. You can see already there the difference in used ones (grandmother), and not used ones (not included your "podang" as Willem already said).

Regards,
Maurice

Dinggat · 8th May 2009, 08:09 AM

I can at least confirm that the Iban sometimes prefer to use a Piso Podang (PP) for their traditional dances and performances instead of a real Iban weapon. Possibly an antique PP is a more prestigious thing to own for the individual Iban than a mere "normal" parang that everyone has.

But one more thing I'm curious about: Unfortunately the blade of my PP is pretty rusted, but still I seem to remember that a smith's signature on the blade was visible. The funny thing is: The signature was made from European/Latin letters. What meaning could this have in regards to the "realness" of the weapon?

Amuk Murugul · 8th May 2009, 10:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dinggat

I can at least confirm that the Iban sometimes prefer to use a Piso Podang (PP) for their traditional dances and performances instead of a real Iban weapon. Possibly an antique PP is a more prestigious thing to own for the individual Iban than a mere "normal" parang that everyone has.

But one more thing I'm curious about: Unfortunately the blade of my PP is pretty rusted, but still I seem to remember that a smith's signature on the blade was visible. The funny thing is: The signature was made from European/Latin letters. What meaning could this have in regards to the "realness" of the weapon?

Hullo Dingdat,

I wouldn't worry about the 'realness' of the implement (of course this depends on how strict/purist you are). It's quite common to use non-local blades (be it from other regions or other countries) with local hilts/dress . As a matter of fact, in the 17th-18th centuries, VOC trade blades (manufactured by its foundaries in India and elsewhere in the East Indies) were commonly used throughout the Archipelago.

As for whether it's a 'pedang' or 'podang' (or even 'peudeueng'). I wouldn't worry about it too much. This is just a variation in the local language, similar to 'sword', 'zwaard' and 'schwert'. Basically the same.
In Brunei, the Malay spoken has always been the closest to Bahasa Indonesia, in essence, the Archipelago trade lingua franca. In Sabah, there is a strong Batak influence, particularly among some tribes, such as the Tawau (where they speak Malay with a Batak flavour).

Hope this helps.

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Dinggat · 8th May 2009, 10:42 AM

Oh, I'm not purist in any kind of way. I just want to find out as much as possible about this particular weapon. It's not like I would throw it away if I found out it was not "the real thing".

As an amatuer linguist who learns a few Austronesian languages I'm very aware of the local differences (Podang, Pedang etc.). Apart from actual dialectic differences such different spellings can often be traced back to the Europeans who where the first one's to put a native language to paper. What sounded like "Pedang" to a British colonialist might have sounded like a "Podang" to his Dutch colleague, even though they basically heard the same word.

8th May 2009, 07:13 AM	#4
Maurice Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,453	According to the book of Evans about North Borneo tribes, the "podang" he is calling a "pedang" was used also in North Borneo (Sabah). There is also a pic of a man carrying a "podang" with him. Also the Ibans, as already known, liked this sword to be handled. Evans is saying that "probably" these blades were made in Brunei. This State lies between Sarawak and Sabah, so in my opinion this could be true. Does anyone has read other information written about it? Dinggat, you should buy yourself the book "iban art" from Heppell. It is a very nice book with nice pictures (You can also see this "podang" in it.) PS. the dayakswords your grandmother has in her house looks like the real thing. You can see already there the difference in used ones (grandmother), and not used ones (not included your "podang" as Willem already said). Regards, Maurice

8th May 2009, 08:09 AM	#5
Dinggat Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 29	I can at least confirm that the Iban sometimes prefer to use a Piso Podang (PP) for their traditional dances and performances instead of a real Iban weapon. Possibly an antique PP is a more prestigious thing to own for the individual Iban than a mere "normal" parang that everyone has. But one more thing I'm curious about: Unfortunately the blade of my PP is pretty rusted, but still I seem to remember that a smith's signature on the blade was visible. The funny thing is: The signature was made from European/Latin letters. What meaning could this have in regards to the "realness" of the weapon?

8th May 2009, 10:42 AM	#7
Dinggat Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 29	Oh, I'm not purist in any kind of way. I just want to find out as much as possible about this particular weapon. It's not like I would throw it away if I found out it was not "the real thing". As an amatuer linguist who learns a few Austronesian languages I'm very aware of the local differences (Podang, Pedang etc.). Apart from actual dialectic differences such different spellings can often be traced back to the Europeans who where the first one's to put a native language to paper. What sounded like "Pedang" to a British colonialist might have sounded like a "Podang" to his Dutch colleague, even though they basically heard the same word.