Small Keris, Minangkabau?

Sajen · 4th May 2009, 09:10 PM

Hello Alam,

yes, the blade looks a little bit crude. But I have the hope that it is better in real, like yours or nine from this thread:

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=8160

Interesting in my opinion is the handle. Not only at Jensens Kris disc I have seen a keris from Sumatra with this form of handle also somewhere else but can't remember excatly where. Some other examples from members with this handle form?
Regards,
sajen

Marcokeris · 4th May 2009, 11:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sajen

Hello Alam,

yes, the blade looks a little bit crude. But I have the hope that it is better in real, like yours or nine from this thread:

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=8160

Interesting in my opinion is the handle. Not only at Jensens Kris disc I have seen a keris from Sumatra with this form of handle also somewhere else but can't remember excatly where. Some other examples from members with this handle form?
Regards,
sajen

Sajen the same Sumatra handle is in Tammens work (De Kris 3) at pag.190.
(Also i think the hit is from central jawa)

kai · 5th May 2009, 01:18 AM

Hello Sajen,

I'm afraid, too, that the blade seems to be modern; haven't seen such an extended ganja around the pesi yet. Also the workmanship on pendokok doesn't look very promising to me.

The hilt does look nice though - also remembered those references already given.

Regards,
Kai

Alam Shah · 5th May 2009, 02:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sajen

Hello Alam,

yes, the blade looks a little bit crude. But I have the hope that it is better in real, like yours or mine from this thread:

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=8160

Interesting in my opinion is the handle. Not only at Jensens Kris disc I have seen a keris from Sumatra with this form of handle also somewhere else but can't remember excatly where. Some other examples from members with this handle form?
Regards,
sajen

Your other blade is a good example of that form. This blade is not of the same worksmanship and quality, i'm afraid.

As for the hilt, I'm of the opinion that it's a tunggak semi form originated from Java but maybe made locally without the patra. What material is the hilt? Perhaps later you can post picture from the base of the hilt.

Sajen · 5th May 2009, 06:53 PM

I still have the hope that the blade better then it seems to be in the picture, we will see when it received, the sheat look very old and I have the hope the blade as well. About the hilt the seller only write me that it is maybe iron wood because it is very heavy. The complete keris don't have been to expensive so I let surprise myself about all. I have had the hope that it is maybe a Gayo keris because the hilt and the unsual sheat and for the hilt I think that it could be like this. See inside Kris disc and also the example like Marco write in the book from Tammens. We will see!?

sajen

Sajen · 15th May 2009, 08:49 PM

Today I received the keris, all seems to my eyes old and original. Very nice and good patinated horn hilt, pendokok from copper is not the finest work but old and ok. The blade is a little bit crude worked and have been polished by someone. In the area of the pejetan/gandik and kembang kacang is overpolished corrosion. The ganja is maybe from newer date but fits well to the blade. All crude worked but the ganja is more crude. The blade fits well inside the sheat. Sheat byself is also well patinated. The pendok from low grade silver is also old and in the upper part gone. Someone closed the place where gandar and warangka come together with material from the broken pendok and it seems that this happened already in Indonesia. It's not glued with modern adhesive. The missing part of the pendok will be the biggest problem to give the keris back a nice look. The hilt is not removeable from the peksi. At last I am not unhappy with this buy. I will post pictures later.
sajen

Sajen · 16th May 2009, 03:52 PM

Here the pics!

David · 16th May 2009, 04:43 PM

Why did you remove the metal band at the top of the gandar and the part of the metal on the pendok?

Sajen · 16th May 2009, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by David

Why did you remove the metal band at the top of the gandar and the part of the metal on the pendok?

Hello David,
it was very crudely done and don't fit in the back, I want to give the wooden part a polish with steel-wool and after this a polish with antique wax. I think that this will look better. But when the result not good; I still keep the metal.
what's your opinion now about the keris?
sajen

16th May 2009, 03:52 PM	#7
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,416	Here the pics! Attached Images

4th May 2009, 09:10 PM	#1
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,416	Hello Alam, yes, the blade looks a little bit crude. But I have the hope that it is better in real, like yours or nine from this thread: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=8160 Interesting in my opinion is the handle. Not only at Jensens Kris disc I have seen a keris from Sumatra with this form of handle also somewhere else but can't remember excatly where. Some other examples from members with this handle form? Regards, sajen

5th May 2009, 01:18 AM	#3
kai Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 3,255	Hello Sajen, I'm afraid, too, that the blade seems to be modern; haven't seen such an extended ganja around the pesi yet. Also the workmanship on pendokok doesn't look very promising to me. The hilt does look nice though - also remembered those references already given. Regards, Kai

5th May 2009, 06:53 PM	#5
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,416	I still have the hope that the blade better then it seems to be in the picture, we will see when it received, the sheat look very old and I have the hope the blade as well. About the hilt the seller only write me that it is maybe iron wood because it is very heavy. The complete keris don't have been to expensive so I let surprise myself about all. I have had the hope that it is maybe a Gayo keris because the hilt and the unsual sheat and for the hilt I think that it could be like this. See inside Kris disc and also the example like Marco write in the book from Tammens. We will see!? sajen

15th May 2009, 08:49 PM	#6
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,416	Today I received the keris, all seems to my eyes old and original. Very nice and good patinated horn hilt, pendokok from copper is not the finest work but old and ok. The blade is a little bit crude worked and have been polished by someone. In the area of the pejetan/gandik and kembang kacang is overpolished corrosion. The ganja is maybe from newer date but fits well to the blade. All crude worked but the ganja is more crude. The blade fits well inside the sheat. Sheat byself is also well patinated. The pendok from low grade silver is also old and in the upper part gone. Someone closed the place where gandar and warangka come together with material from the broken pendok and it seems that this happened already in Indonesia. It's not glued with modern adhesive. The missing part of the pendok will be the biggest problem to give the keris back a nice look. The hilt is not removeable from the peksi. At last I am not unhappy with this buy. I will post pictures later. sajen

16th May 2009, 04:43 PM	#8
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,250	Why did you remove the metal band at the top of the gandar and the part of the metal on the pendok?