Please help to identify this dagger

Tatyana Dianova · 1st May 2009, 08:58 PM

I have another large and heavy unknown dagger with recurving blade. I thought I will start later a separate thread about it, but maybe it is relevant to the dagger in question. Handle is bone, rosettes – copper, there is a rest for a thumb on the top of the handle. The dagger has a full tang, and this tang is very thick

Phil · 2nd May 2009, 01:58 PM

Tatyana,
Concerning your first dagger: here’s another example which was (probably still is) on Oriental-Arms. Said to be “early to mid 19 C. and it comes from North India”.

ariel · 2nd May 2009, 02:39 PM

Tatiana,
So good to see you back! You always bring such unconventional things!
As to you dagger with bone handle and para-i-tutti-ish blade, I couldn't help but notice a very peculiar bolster: kind of "staircase-like" ( for want of a better comparison).
It eerily reminds me of Adya Katti, from Coorg/ Malabar area.
Here is a reference to it from Artzi's collection and every other example he has on his site shows the same thing ( just go over them):
http://www.oriental-arms.com/item.php?id=1520
What would we do without Artzi/Avner's site?

Tatyana Dianova · 2nd May 2009, 09:54 PM

Almost all unconventional pieces seem to be pretty late, and some of them are simply composite pieces… Anyway, it is interesting to know where the parts or influences come from… Sometimes it is pretty difficult, as it is for example with a Shashka with a cross-guard, which was posted recently by Ariel.
Today I have visited the old castle in Loket, Czech Republik, and at the castle museum I have seen an old yataghan with a recurving blade, which seems to be of European origin

Are there any other ‘ladder’ bolsters around, except Adya Katti???

ariel · 3rd May 2009, 02:59 AM

http://ww2.ru/forum/index.php?act=at...post&id=382667
http://ww2.ru/forum/index.php?act=at...post&id=382672
http://ww2.ru/forum/index.php?act=at...post&id=382679
Here are pics from another forum: Zlatoust-made yataghan from a Russian museum. Apparently, it has bulat ( wootz) blade

Tatyana Dianova · 3rd May 2009, 09:00 AM

Ariel, the Russian forum requires 'signing-in'... Can you post these pictures here?

ariel · 4th May 2009, 12:19 PM

Here they are

I apologize: the blade is the so-called Turkish Ribbon, not real wootz.

1st May 2009, 08:58 PM	#1
Tatyana Dianova Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 735	I have another large and heavy unknown dagger with recurving blade. I thought I will start later a separate thread about it, but maybe it is relevant to the dagger in question. Handle is bone, rosettes – copper, there is a rest for a thumb on the top of the handle. The dagger has a full tang, and this tang is very thick Attached Images

2nd May 2009, 01:58 PM	#2
Phil Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 6	Tatyana, Concerning your first dagger: here’s another example which was (probably still is) on Oriental-Arms. Said to be “early to mid 19 C. and it comes from North India”. Attached Images

2nd May 2009, 09:54 PM	#4
Tatyana Dianova Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 735	Almost all unconventional pieces seem to be pretty late, and some of them are simply composite pieces… Anyway, it is interesting to know where the parts or influences come from… Sometimes it is pretty difficult, as it is for example with a Shashka with a cross-guard, which was posted recently by Ariel. Today I have visited the old castle in Loket, Czech Republik, and at the castle museum I have seen an old yataghan with a recurving blade, which seems to be of European origin Are there any other ‘ladder’ bolsters around, except Adya Katti??? Attached Images

4th May 2009, 12:19 PM	#7
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Here they are I apologize: the blade is the so-called Turkish Ribbon, not real wootz. Attached Images

2nd May 2009, 02:39 PM	#3
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Tatiana, So good to see you back! You always bring such unconventional things! As to you dagger with bone handle and para-i-tutti-ish blade, I couldn't help but notice a very peculiar bolster: kind of "staircase-like" ( for want of a better comparison). It eerily reminds me of Adya Katti, from Coorg/ Malabar area. Here is a reference to it from Artzi's collection and every other example he has on his site shows the same thing ( just go over them): http://www.oriental-arms.com/item.php?id=1520 What would we do without Artzi/Avner's site?

3rd May 2009, 02:59 AM	#5
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	http://ww2.ru/forum/index.php?act=at...post&id=382667 http://ww2.ru/forum/index.php?act=at...post&id=382672 http://ww2.ru/forum/index.php?act=at...post&id=382679 Here are pics from another forum: Zlatoust-made yataghan from a Russian museum. Apparently, it has bulat ( wootz) blade

3rd May 2009, 09:00 AM	#6
Tatyana Dianova Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 735	Ariel, the Russian forum requires 'signing-in'... Can you post these pictures here?