Nice Kaskara...need help with translation please

Jim McDougall · 24th April 2009, 08:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dom

New Year Present

<--- direction of reading <--
LAKUM RHALEB FALLA ALLAH YOU SABERKUM AIN BISMILLAH
1211 KEBIR KOL FAOUK AKBAR ALLAH

translation
in the name of God, God will give you the victory and you will be the winner
God is Great, greater than the most great 1796

What would this phrase, greater than the most great 1796 mean?
Does the 1796 refer to an event, a numeric sequence?

TVV · 24th April 2009, 09:36 PM

Jim, looking at the way it is written, in smaller case than the rest, I think it is simply a date, and not part of the verse. It seems a bit high, so certainly not Hijra, but maybe Gregorian for some strane reason?
Regards,

Teodor

Jim McDougall · 24th April 2009, 10:05 PM

Hi Teodor,
Thank you for responding. It seemed like a date, but Im trying to imagine what date had such importance in the context with this sword.
All the best,
Jim

Dom · 24th April 2009, 11:04 PM

well analyse TVV, it's just a date
nothing to do with a verse or a chapter of Holy Koran

Jim,
you know, it's relatively common, when a blacksmith personalize a blade sometime with;
- Koranic dedicate,
- and, or the owner name's,
- and, or his own name,
- AND a date of issue

as the space isn't too wide, but long, on a blade
the mentions are, one after the other without at first view a logic

just a pratical sense may help you to make a repartition;
- the religious invocation are well know and often repetitive,
- the mention "made by" "name" indicate the blacksmith
- the mention "made for" "name" indicate the owner
- the mention "with digits" Hegira date

never forget that some engravers are not Arabic speakers,
even Arabic writers, but just they just copy something without sense for them

I just regret do don't have a chance to see a pic for the whole weapon

best regards

à +

Dom

24th April 2009, 09:36 PM	#2
TVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Bay Area Posts: 1,660	Jim, looking at the way it is written, in smaller case than the rest, I think it is simply a date, and not part of the verse. It seems a bit high, so certainly not Hijra, but maybe Gregorian for some strane reason? Regards, Teodor

24th April 2009, 10:05 PM	#3
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,192	Hi Teodor, Thank you for responding. It seemed like a date, but Im trying to imagine what date had such importance in the context with this sword. All the best, Jim

24th April 2009, 11:04 PM	#4
Dom Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Paris (FR*) Cairo (EG) Posts: 1,142	well analyse TVV, it's just a date nothing to do with a verse or a chapter of Holy Koran Jim, you know, it's relatively common, when a blacksmith personalize a blade sometime with; - Koranic dedicate, - and, or the owner name's, - and, or his own name, - AND a date of issue as the space isn't too wide, but long, on a blade the mentions are, one after the other without at first view a logic just a pratical sense may help you to make a repartition; - the religious invocation are well know and often repetitive, - the mention "made by" "name" indicate the blacksmith - the mention "made for" "name" indicate the owner - the mention "with digits" Hegira date never forget that some engravers are not Arabic speakers, even Arabic writers, but just they just copy something without sense for them I just regret do don't have a chance to see a pic for the whole weapon best regards à + Dom