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Old 27th April 2005, 08:04 PM   #1
Radu Transylvanicus
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Pictures 7 & 8. Persian parade tabar zin (large war-axe) early Qajar Period (late18th – early 19th century) – Crescent moon shaped blade, with demon head (double dragon as probably a smaller head protrudes out of the larger one’s mouth normally but you can’t see it here) hammer-head . The flag (?! cannot find the vexiologicaly correct therm for the moment) has an Indo-Persian symbol: the surya ( the God Sun motif) in bass relief on one side and a mystical sufi scene Persian miniature painted on the other.
Its is the only exemplar so far I know decorated like this ! Rare stuff and again these Indo-Persian items are not part of the same outfit, however the vanguard (bazouband) and this tabar zin are a very a good pair perfectly fit to keep eachother company in a museum display!
Hey JENS, I would like to hear your opinion specially in this war axe, what do tyou think about the miniature and the age ? Isnt it amazing how on one side you see Persian art using the surya sun face also a classic Rajput emblem and the miniature on the side has much more Ottoman Turk than Mughal in style ...
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Old 1st May 2005, 04:36 AM   #2
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Thank you very much for all the kind words, but I'm way over my head oftering the appraisal here, but:

a. Assuming that the sword is russian - Zlatoust, Tula independent makers are the possibility. The problem is that the signature is clearly in arabic (amal...), but russians used cyrillic or stamps (solingen stamps for germans working in russia, zlatoust stamps for zlatoust). Additionally their work was mainly designed for cossacks, not georgians, so it would be strange to see them making this sabre.
Additionally the produce of Zlatoust was considering vastly inferior to high end georgian makers until very late in XIX century.

b. Attached is a "khevsurian sabre" from Astvatsaturjan's book - as you can see it's almost idential to "mountain sabre" from Askhabov's book so it's no wonder we have all these problems in identification.

c. There are however some things in the motiff that look strange to me:
First of all - given attached three images of istambul-bik - first one is from this sabre, second one is transcauscasian istambul-bik, and the last one on the right is a dagestanian.

It seems that the one from the sabre is more transcaucasian. Zigzag pattern that is placed on the hilt and guard - it's also more of a georgian thing, like one on the shashka's blade (image attached).

Than as you can see - images on the blade have a mesh-like background - does it look similar to the zigzag pattern on the next attached image ? I don't know it looks somewhat similar to me.

Than 8-fold ovals on the hilt - this is certainly something very georgian - appears also on the khevsurian sabre in Astvatsaturjan p.343 (khevsurian sabre). Mjalhista's sun is much bigger and sometimes somewhat elongated in one direction.

Other elements of the ornament (Muchal-bik etc.) are also analogous to Dagestani elements, but different nevertheless.

I strongly suspect the origin of the blade being Tiflis. It's not even impossible that it was ordered by a wealthy Tsova-Tushin or Khevsur, remembering that khevsurian swords signed "Ferrara" used to cost 25 cows and up, this blade does not seem like being much more expensive than that. Some of mountainers acquired considerable wealth as a result of military actions, so it does not seem improbable to me.
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