Stone club.

Tim Simmons · 18th April 2009, 06:49 PM

This picture shows pots ready to be traded by the Muto people, an annual trading festival and expidition known as "Hiri" Also a picture of the trading canoe. The pictures are turn of the 19/20th century.
These expeditions included the Torres Straits Islands, we know from previous post of the trade of flint from Australia from Cape York to the Torres Straits possibly other islands. I am sure they could put a few stone in this trading canoe even if it was just balast.

Tim Simmons · 18th April 2009, 06:55 PM

These pictures show what lengths some people have to go to to obtain substances we just do not think about. A there and back trip from Nabwageta Island to Fergusson Island of say 40KM must put some value on the clay as raw material. Could put a few stones in the bottom of the canoe?

Tim Simmons · 18th April 2009, 06:58 PM

Taking the goodies home to the far flung Islands. Could put a few stones in the canoe here too.

fearn · 18th April 2009, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Tim Simmons

These pictures show what lengths some people have to go to to obtain substances we just do not think about. A there and back trip from Nabwageta Island to Fergusson Island of say 40KM must put some value on the clay as raw material. Could put a few stones in the bottom of the canoe?

I guess. In North America, they were trading copper from the great lakes for shell from the gulf. Or the anasazi were getting macaw feathers and chocolate from Mexico.

I'd guess that trade's an old, old human phenomenon. That said, it's still fun to see those pictures.

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Tim Simmons · 18th April 2009, 08:00 PM

Fearn,
Researching "Hiri trade" I have found stuff that suggests, not only according the the book on pottery is it an annual festival as a prelude to a trading enterprise. It seems there may be such a thing as the Hiri curculation rather like the the trade winds of the Atlantic sea trade.

Rick · 18th April 2009, 10:47 PM

A true 'Waterworld' , Tim .

But ....

Without Dennis Hopper ..

Tim Simmons · 17th June 2009, 04:45 PM

After a great deal of rambling and learning we have a conculsion to this club. I would like to thank you all for many hours of frustration and great entertainment.
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=9591

There is the possibility that it may even be Ona Patagonia which would make it a very rare item indeed if it is not already.

katana · 19th June 2009, 08:37 PM

Stupidly, I posted this comment on this thread
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=9591 when it should be on this one

Hi Tim,
the illustration of the 'stone headed' club shows that it is mounted to the side of the shaft......yours is mounted on top. So I am not so certain that we can ID yours from the drawing.

Regards David

18th April 2009, 06:49 PM	#1
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,843	This picture shows pots ready to be traded by the Muto people, an annual trading festival and expidition known as "Hiri" Also a picture of the trading canoe. The pictures are turn of the 19/20th century. These expeditions included the Torres Straits Islands, we know from previous post of the trade of flint from Australia from Cape York to the Torres Straits possibly other islands. I am sure they could put a few stone in this trading canoe even if it was just balast. Attached Images

18th April 2009, 06:55 PM	#2
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,843	These pictures show what lengths some people have to go to to obtain substances we just do not think about. A there and back trip from Nabwageta Island to Fergusson Island of say 40KM must put some value on the clay as raw material. Could put a few stones in the bottom of the canoe? Attached Images

18th April 2009, 06:58 PM	#3
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,843	Taking the goodies home to the far flung Islands. Could put a few stones in the canoe here too. Attached Images

17th June 2009, 04:45 PM	#7
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,843	Thanks After a great deal of rambling and learning we have a conculsion to this club. I would like to thank you all for many hours of frustration and great entertainment. http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=9591 There is the possibility that it may even be Ona Patagonia which would make it a very rare item indeed if it is not already. Attached Images Last edited by Tim Simmons; 18th June 2009 at 09:08 AM.

18th April 2009, 08:00 PM	#5
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,843	Fearn, Researching "Hiri trade" I have found stuff that suggests, not only according the the book on pottery is it an annual festival as a prelude to a trading enterprise. It seems there may be such a thing as the Hiri curculation rather like the the trade winds of the Atlantic sea trade.

18th April 2009, 10:47 PM	#6
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,336	A true 'Waterworld' , Tim . But .... Without Dennis Hopper ..

19th June 2009, 08:37 PM	#8
katana Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Kent Posts: 2,658	Stupidly, I posted this comment on this thread http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=9591 when it should be on this one Hi Tim, the illustration of the 'stone headed' club shows that it is mounted to the side of the shaft......yours is mounted on top. So I am not so certain that we can ID yours from the drawing. Regards David