Keris golok?

[semar]

the dapur of this type of keris is keris pedang

regards semar

[Sajen]

I know only the long version, this one is 57 cm, only the blade.

sajen

[Rick]

Sajen, that is the only form I am familiar with also ..

A blade that short seems to fall more in patrem territory than pedang .


Keris Pedang Patrem ... ?

[gwirya]

Semar, the blade on your first picture seems to be very close to the one in my picture. How long is the blade of yours semar?
thank you guys for all the information, really appreciate it.
thx

[David]

Originally Posted by Rick

Sajen, that is the only form I am familiar with also ..

A blade that short seems to fall more in patrem territory than pedang .


Keris Pedang Patrem ... ?

I tend to agree. AFAIK "pedang" literally means "sword" and from my perspective 12" is just a wee bit too short to qualify as a sword.
Would love to see you clean the little guy up. Does it seem to have pamor?

[semar]

hello Gwirya

the lengte of my blad = 32 cm
and David when you don`t know this type of keris
that does not mean that the name is not correct
mabey its a other type of a keris pedang ???
because guppy`s you can find in the aquarium

regards semar

[David]

Originally Posted by semar

hello Gwirya

the lengte of my blad = 32 cm
and David when you don`t know this type of keris
that does not mean that the name is not correct
mabey its a other type of a keris pedang ???
because guppy`s you can find in the aquarium

regards semar

Sorry Semar, but i am not understanding your point about guppies. My point comes from a place of logic, which doesn't necessarily make it correct. But if the word "pedang" means "sword", why would you use it it name a dagger length weapon?
I am curious why you are insistent that it is another type of keris pedang. Do you have reference?

[Amuk Murugul]

Hullo everybody,

It is difficult to debate the true name of the type unless we are talking the same language, so to speak. For instance, I would have no problem in calling it a Tjoendrik (using the protocol I follow). However, among the Soenda, even this term is not definite, being interchangeable with, for example, sekin/sikkien, badi, peso blati (depending on individual and/or region).
It is important not to lose sight of the protocol under which the item is named. People tend to get carried away by mainstream/'accepted' protocols to the detriment/exclusion of others.
For all we know, it could've been called 'pedang' because its general shape resembles a type of sword. Or, 'pedang' may not have meant 'sword' at all at the time of its taxonomy.

As for being too short to be called a sword, what is the minimum length for an Occidental shortsword? One can then translate this proportionately to the Archipelago and see what the result is.

Best,