Zulu Walking Stick For Comment

Tim Simmons · 12th April 2009, 06:56 PM

Looks like you could fend off any nasty person with that point. Are you sure it is horn? not that I doubt you just that things can be hard to discern through a PC. The horn is solid? I believe antelope horns are hollow? solid horn would be far more rare. I am not an expert but to my mind this is East African like Milawi, Mozambique or Tanzania. The carving to the back of the head and other aspects of the face can be seen in carving from these areas today. Frequently seen in charity shops, car boot sales and new items at so called "CRAFT" markets.
Your piece does not strike me as tourist or "art market" work, however I do feel it is modern in the sence I feel sure it is post 1918 possibly quite a bit latter. The carrying of sticks as a social marker as well as a possible defensive weapon was comman in parts of East Africa untill quite recently and no doubt still is today in the most rural areas. Interestingly my new neighbour who I was talking to this very afternoon is from Guinea. I showed him some of my sticks. He went on to say that in his region traditionally the eldest son of a family would be marked by carring a stick. There is a good we site on prestige sticks in East Africa. I will try and find it again and this time bookmark it.

Tim Simmons · 12th April 2009, 08:15 PM

That old Zulu magic, shame about the nose and the ear are a bit flaky too.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...m=390042158896

Lew · 13th April 2009, 01:12 PM

Tim

I was looking at that one. A nice piece but again the price is rediculous

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Lew

Tim Simmons · 15th April 2009, 08:41 PM

The fist stick that was a gamble, well it is total rubbish, trouist, and badly damaged. The Fiji one is still nice

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Tim Simmons · 19th April 2009, 05:14 PM

Lew,

I am sending the rubbish one back. The money will pay for this one, buy it now offer. The seller says it weighs 3/4 of a Kilo 750g? That must make it a club? 36" long.

VANDOO · 19th April 2009, 06:50 PM

THE ONLY LONG STRAIGHT HORNS WITH A LARGE SOLID TIP I KNOW OF IS THE GEMSBOK THE SOUTHERN ONES HAVING THE LONGEST HORNS. THE HORNS RANGE FROM 60 TO 150 CM. LONG AND ARE HOLLOW AT THE BASE BUT HAVE A LONG SOLID TIP. THEY CAN BE DANGEROUS TO GET AROUND AS THEY WILL USE THEIR HORNS TO STAB YOU AND ARE VERY FAST. PREDATORS DO HUNT THEM BUT ARE PROBABLY VERY CAREFUL WHEN TRYING FOR A HEALTHY ADULT THEY ARE DEFINITELY NOT SOMETHING YOU WANT TO APROACH CLOSELY WHEN HUNTING ESPECIALLY WHEN WOUNDED. THE HORNS ARE SOMETIMES USED IN MAKING SPEARS AND OTHER ITEMS BY SOME TRIBES.

19th April 2009, 05:14 PM	#5
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,856	Lew, I am sending the rubbish one back. The money will pay for this one, buy it now offer. The seller says it weighs 3/4 of a Kilo 750g? That must make it a club? 36" long. Attached Images

19th April 2009, 06:50 PM	#6
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	HORNS THE ONLY LONG STRAIGHT HORNS WITH A LARGE SOLID TIP I KNOW OF IS THE GEMSBOK THE SOUTHERN ONES HAVING THE LONGEST HORNS. THE HORNS RANGE FROM 60 TO 150 CM. LONG AND ARE HOLLOW AT THE BASE BUT HAVE A LONG SOLID TIP. THEY CAN BE DANGEROUS TO GET AROUND AS THEY WILL USE THEIR HORNS TO STAB YOU AND ARE VERY FAST. PREDATORS DO HUNT THEM BUT ARE PROBABLY VERY CAREFUL WHEN TRYING FOR A HEALTHY ADULT THEY ARE DEFINITELY NOT SOMETHING YOU WANT TO APROACH CLOSELY WHEN HUNTING ESPECIALLY WHEN WOUNDED. THE HORNS ARE SOMETIMES USED IN MAKING SPEARS AND OTHER ITEMS BY SOME TRIBES. Attached Images

12th April 2009, 06:56 PM	#1
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,856	Looks like you could fend off any nasty person with that point. Are you sure it is horn? not that I doubt you just that things can be hard to discern through a PC. The horn is solid? I believe antelope horns are hollow? solid horn would be far more rare. I am not an expert but to my mind this is East African like Milawi, Mozambique or Tanzania. The carving to the back of the head and other aspects of the face can be seen in carving from these areas today. Frequently seen in charity shops, car boot sales and new items at so called "CRAFT" markets. Your piece does not strike me as tourist or "art market" work, however I do feel it is modern in the sence I feel sure it is post 1918 possibly quite a bit latter. The carrying of sticks as a social marker as well as a possible defensive weapon was comman in parts of East Africa untill quite recently and no doubt still is today in the most rural areas. Interestingly my new neighbour who I was talking to this very afternoon is from Guinea. I showed him some of my sticks. He went on to say that in his region traditionally the eldest son of a family would be marked by carring a stick. There is a good we site on prestige sticks in East Africa. I will try and find it again and this time bookmark it.

12th April 2009, 08:15 PM	#2
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,856	That old Zulu magic, shame about the nose and the ear are a bit flaky too. http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...m=390042158896

13th April 2009, 01:12 PM	#3
Lew (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: East Coast USA Posts: 3,191	Tim I was looking at that one. A nice piece but again the price is rediculous . Lew

15th April 2009, 08:41 PM	#4
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,856	The fist stick that was a gamble, well it is total rubbish, trouist, and badly damaged. The Fiji one is still nice .