Can anybody ID this sabre-ish sword?

ward · 29th March 2009, 03:36 PM

The end of that blade has been reshaped. European blade probally English.
Are there any markings on the blade close to the crossguard ?

Jim McDougall · 29th March 2009, 05:09 PM

I forgot to note Trenchwarfares assessment had also been for Spanish colonial. Its always frustrating when subsequent posts dont acknowledge same, except obviously in cross posts. It gives the impression previous comments or posts are not being read.
Trench plz excuse the oversight

All the best,
Jim

Vaarok · 29th March 2009, 07:04 PM

There appears to be a serial number (8204, I think it was) on one side of the crossguard, and 1903 on the other. I don't know if that's a date, but I rather doubt it. Otherwise, COMPLETELY devoid of markings. I like bayos and guns because I can hold up a barely-legible maker mark and go "See! It's factory-made to a pattern!" rather than this guesswork based on components and styles. Hey, y'never know. I'm starting to run out of gun-stuff to memorize, maybe this will be my next time-and-wallet soak.

Unfortunately, in retrospect, I kinda failed at that auction. I knew there were a variety of likely Phillipino blades, but all I bid on was this sword (a whim) and the Cav Sabre, which I was fairly sure of. Like I said, I specialize more in bayos and rifles. I shoulda stuck my card up for the sabre marked En Treue Fest, since I knew what that was and it topped out at a hundred fifty, but I had that strange conflict you sometimes get at shows and auctions where you have lots more disposable money than usual, but bid even more sparingly than usual. Also, I got to the auction late and didn't preview, so I was bidding seat-of-the-pants from the fifth row back based on what I could see.

In case anybody wants to berate me for what I passed up, or infer provenance from other pieces, the preview images are still up from the auctionhouse as of 3/29:

http://www.auctionzip.com/cgi-bin/ph...zip=13439&kwd=

Thanks for all the help. It's not a Cossack Shaska or a Turkish officer sabre, but it's neat enough to have for what I paid.

ward · 29th March 2009, 11:04 PM

could you give a closup pic of the 1903 mark

Jim McDougall · 30th March 2009, 01:42 AM

Hey Vaarok, I think its a pretty neat piece! and know what you mean....once upon a time I thought it was great to match a piece to a picture in a book and say, yup thats it!.
Then the bug got me, and now its all about detective work.....sleep is between mysteries, books are stashed all over, the addiction is overwhelming !

.....careful, it could getcha.
I'm glad you posted it, first one like it I've seen.
Thanks very much,
Jim

Vaarok · 30th March 2009, 08:01 PM

As requested. Nothing too special, just a 1903 on the crossguard. Serial (?) on the other side is the same exact font and actually also reads 1903, though it's hard to make out through the rust.

Jim McDougall · 1st April 2009, 04:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vaarok

As requested. Nothing too special, just a 1903 on the crossguard. Serial (?) on the other side is the same exact font and actually also reads 1903, though it's hard to make out through the rust.

While the 1903 as a date would probably be pretty much right for this piece timewise, to me if it is repeated elsewhere on the item it would most likely be an inventory or serial number. I dont believe a date (year) would need to be repeated.

All best regards,
Jim

29th March 2009, 03:36 PM	#1
ward Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 637	The end of that blade has been reshaped. European blade probally English. Are there any markings on the blade close to the crossguard ?

29th March 2009, 05:09 PM	#2
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,480	I forgot to note Trenchwarfares assessment had also been for Spanish colonial. Its always frustrating when subsequent posts dont acknowledge same, except obviously in cross posts. It gives the impression previous comments or posts are not being read. Trench plz excuse the oversight All the best, Jim

29th March 2009, 07:04 PM	#3
Vaarok Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 28	There appears to be a serial number (8204, I think it was) on one side of the crossguard, and 1903 on the other. I don't know if that's a date, but I rather doubt it. Otherwise, COMPLETELY devoid of markings. I like bayos and guns because I can hold up a barely-legible maker mark and go "See! It's factory-made to a pattern!" rather than this guesswork based on components and styles. Hey, y'never know. I'm starting to run out of gun-stuff to memorize, maybe this will be my next time-and-wallet soak. Unfortunately, in retrospect, I kinda failed at that auction. I knew there were a variety of likely Phillipino blades, but all I bid on was this sword (a whim) and the Cav Sabre, which I was fairly sure of. Like I said, I specialize more in bayos and rifles. I shoulda stuck my card up for the sabre marked En Treue Fest, since I knew what that was and it topped out at a hundred fifty, but I had that strange conflict you sometimes get at shows and auctions where you have lots more disposable money than usual, but bid even more sparingly than usual. Also, I got to the auction late and didn't preview, so I was bidding seat-of-the-pants from the fifth row back based on what I could see. In case anybody wants to berate me for what I passed up, or infer provenance from other pieces, the preview images are still up from the auctionhouse as of 3/29: http://www.auctionzip.com/cgi-bin/ph...zip=13439&kwd= Thanks for all the help. It's not a Cossack Shaska or a Turkish officer sabre, but it's neat enough to have for what I paid.

29th March 2009, 11:04 PM	#4
ward Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 637	could you give a closup pic of the 1903 mark

30th March 2009, 01:42 AM	#5
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,480	Hey Vaarok, I think its a pretty neat piece! and know what you mean....once upon a time I thought it was great to match a piece to a picture in a book and say, yup thats it!. Then the bug got me, and now its all about detective work.....sleep is between mysteries, books are stashed all over, the addiction is overwhelming ! .....careful, it could getcha. I'm glad you posted it, first one like it I've seen. Thanks very much, Jim

30th March 2009, 08:01 PM	#6
Vaarok Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 28	As requested. Nothing too special, just a 1903 on the crossguard. Serial (?) on the other side is the same exact font and actually also reads 1903, though it's hard to make out through the rust.