The Maillotin Namesake Weapon

Queequeg · 11th March 2009, 05:58 PM

Actually, I've been wondering if that cylindrical head ran the other way, instead of perpendicularly; parallel and part of the handle. Weaponsmith, Sam Salvati, made this piece last year, which I'll use as my example.

Original thread is here, in case the pics don't show up:
http://sbgswordforum.proboards70.com...ay&thread=4649

VANDOO · 11th March 2009, 07:56 PM

THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT I HAD IN MIND IF IT WAS A POLICE WEAPON RATHER THAN A TOOL. PERHAPS YOUR PICTURES WILL BRING SOMEONE INTO THE DISCUSSION WHO HAS SEEN SOME ORIGINAL EXAMPLES. ONE CAN ONLY HOPE

IT WOULD ALSO BE A WEAPON THAT COULD BE MADE IN PIECES UNDER THE WATCH OF OFFICIALS OF THOSE IN POWER AND THE COMPONENTS QUICKLY ASSEMBLED IN A SAFE AREA WITH LITTLE NEED FOR TOOLS OR NOISE. MATERIALS LEAD SHEET OR PIPE AND A WOOD FARM TOOL HANDLE AND SOME NAILS, TOOLS A HAMMER AND PERHAPS A SAW. SHAPEING LEAD WITH A HAMMER MAKES LITTLE NOISE AND CAN EVEN BE DONE WITH A WOODEN MALLET AND A NAIL EASILY DRIVES THRU LEAD.

ANOTHER THOUGHT I HAD WAS THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN A VERY LARGE POLICE FORCE, MORE LIKE A MILITIA OR SMALL ARMY IF THE ATHORITYS KEPT THAT LARGE AN AMOUNT OF WEAPONS FOR THEIR FORCES. IF THAT WAS THE CASE WHY NOT SUPPLY THEM WITH BETTER WEAPONS, SPEARS, BOWS, SWORDS, SLINGS, ECT.

REASONING FURTHER, PERHAPS THE GROUP ORGANIZING AGAINST THOSE IN POWER REASONED THAT THE ATHORITYS WOULD NOT BE WATCHING CLOSELY WHEN THEY MADE MALLETS WHICH WERE TOOLS. AND IF THE STOCKPILE WAS FOUND IT COULD BE EXPLAINED THAT THEY WERE A LARGE STOCK SOON TO BE SHIPPED AS DEMAND WAS HIGH OR THEY HAD A LARGE ORDER. IF THAT IS THE CASE IT WORKED AS THE ATHORITYS SURELY HAD SPIES WATCHING ANY PLACE THAT COULD FORGE WEAPONS OF ANY SORT AND SPEARS, SWORDS OR BOWS WOULD HAVE BROUGHT IMEDIATE RESPONCE.
NOT VERY HELPFUL AND WITH NO PROOF AND JUST RAMBELING

BUT CONJECTURE IS FUN AND SOMETIMES EVEN POINTS SOMEONE IN THE DIRECTION OF REAL FACTS AND ANSWERS.

fearn · 12th March 2009, 03:41 AM

Hi Vandoo,

Better keep hoping, 'cause I don't have an example. Well...

Actually, if you google "carver's mallet," you'll see a modern example of a round-headed wooden mallet. They're less common these days, but there are still modern examples.

Queequeg is probably right about the arrangement of lead on the staff.

My guess is that these mallets were something like a morning star/godentag. According to the Wikipedia article on morning stars these were basically arsenal weapons used to arm the people of a city in case of war. They were cheap, basically upgraded quarterstaves. Kind of like what we're talking about here.

I've never seen lead clading on a staff, but I have seen medieval pictures of travelers carrying weighted staffs, so it's not too unusual. Loading a staff with points, hidden blades, or hidden weights is a widespread phenomenon. On occasion, I've been sad that we can't legally do that in these modern days.

My 0.000002 cents,

F

Jim McDougall · 12th March 2009, 05:56 AM

Outstanding Fearn! I could not think of a term that better specified what type of mallet, and it does seem these were definitely associated with the morningstars or other terms for these mace type weapons.

I also hadnt thought of perpandicular lead cylinder, which makes sense in this type weapon, rather than the tool of hammer style I was thinking of. Well, all this talk of lead weighted bonking weapons gets right back to the shillelaghs on Queequegs other thread.

Vandoo, on the contrary, your 'ramblings' always make great sense, and it really is fun trying to figure out some of these really esoteric topics...great stuff!

All the best,
Jim

12th March 2009, 03:41 AM	#3
fearn Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,247	Hi Vandoo, Better keep hoping, 'cause I don't have an example. Well... Actually, if you google "carver's mallet," you'll see a modern example of a round-headed wooden mallet. They're less common these days, but there are still modern examples. Queequeg is probably right about the arrangement of lead on the staff. My guess is that these mallets were something like a morning star/godentag. According to the Wikipedia article on morning stars these were basically arsenal weapons used to arm the people of a city in case of war. They were cheap, basically upgraded quarterstaves. Kind of like what we're talking about here. I've never seen lead clading on a staff, but I have seen medieval pictures of travelers carrying weighted staffs, so it's not too unusual. Loading a staff with points, hidden blades, or hidden weights is a widespread phenomenon. On occasion, I've been sad that we can't legally do that in these modern days. My 0.000002 cents, F Last edited by fearn; 13th March 2009 at 02:03 AM. Reason: hoping doesn't have a p

11th March 2009, 05:58 PM	#1
Queequeg Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Detroit (New Mayapan) Posts: 96	Actually, I've been wondering if that cylindrical head ran the other way, instead of perpendicularly; parallel and part of the handle. Weaponsmith, Sam Salvati, made this piece last year, which I'll use as my example. Original thread is here, in case the pics don't show up: http://sbgswordforum.proboards70.com...ay&thread=4649

11th March 2009, 07:56 PM	#2
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT I HAD IN MIND IF IT WAS A POLICE WEAPON RATHER THAN A TOOL. PERHAPS YOUR PICTURES WILL BRING SOMEONE INTO THE DISCUSSION WHO HAS SEEN SOME ORIGINAL EXAMPLES. ONE CAN ONLY HOPE IT WOULD ALSO BE A WEAPON THAT COULD BE MADE IN PIECES UNDER THE WATCH OF OFFICIALS OF THOSE IN POWER AND THE COMPONENTS QUICKLY ASSEMBLED IN A SAFE AREA WITH LITTLE NEED FOR TOOLS OR NOISE. MATERIALS LEAD SHEET OR PIPE AND A WOOD FARM TOOL HANDLE AND SOME NAILS, TOOLS A HAMMER AND PERHAPS A SAW. SHAPEING LEAD WITH A HAMMER MAKES LITTLE NOISE AND CAN EVEN BE DONE WITH A WOODEN MALLET AND A NAIL EASILY DRIVES THRU LEAD. ANOTHER THOUGHT I HAD WAS THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN A VERY LARGE POLICE FORCE, MORE LIKE A MILITIA OR SMALL ARMY IF THE ATHORITYS KEPT THAT LARGE AN AMOUNT OF WEAPONS FOR THEIR FORCES. IF THAT WAS THE CASE WHY NOT SUPPLY THEM WITH BETTER WEAPONS, SPEARS, BOWS, SWORDS, SLINGS, ECT. REASONING FURTHER, PERHAPS THE GROUP ORGANIZING AGAINST THOSE IN POWER REASONED THAT THE ATHORITYS WOULD NOT BE WATCHING CLOSELY WHEN THEY MADE MALLETS WHICH WERE TOOLS. AND IF THE STOCKPILE WAS FOUND IT COULD BE EXPLAINED THAT THEY WERE A LARGE STOCK SOON TO BE SHIPPED AS DEMAND WAS HIGH OR THEY HAD A LARGE ORDER. IF THAT IS THE CASE IT WORKED AS THE ATHORITYS SURELY HAD SPIES WATCHING ANY PLACE THAT COULD FORGE WEAPONS OF ANY SORT AND SPEARS, SWORDS OR BOWS WOULD HAVE BROUGHT IMEDIATE RESPONCE. NOT VERY HELPFUL AND WITH NO PROOF AND JUST RAMBELING BUT CONJECTURE IS FUN AND SOMETIMES EVEN POINTS SOMEONE IN THE DIRECTION OF REAL FACTS AND ANSWERS.

12th March 2009, 05:56 AM	#4
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,200	Outstanding Fearn! I could not think of a term that better specified what type of mallet, and it does seem these were definitely associated with the morningstars or other terms for these mace type weapons. I also hadnt thought of perpandicular lead cylinder, which makes sense in this type weapon, rather than the tool of hammer style I was thinking of. Well, all this talk of lead weighted bonking weapons gets right back to the shillelaghs on Queequegs other thread. Vandoo, on the contrary, your 'ramblings' always make great sense, and it really is fun trying to figure out some of these really esoteric topics...great stuff! All the best, Jim