PATA'S SAID TO BE CUT DOWN TO MAKE KATAR's

Royston · 11th March 2009, 10:39 AM

Just in case anyone is jumping to conclusions by looking at locations, I would like to state that this is NOT me.

Regards
Royston

katana · 11th March 2009, 03:50 PM

Hi,
my intention for starting the thread was to find out whether a Pata with a broken blade would have found itself 'pressed into service' as a Katar. To me it seemed unlikely....because the fitment of the blade is similar to a Khanda, I wondered if it was relatively easier to 'de-rivet' and replace the whole blade. If it was indeed, common for a pata (with a shortened blade) to be used as a Katar. My assumption that it was easier to replace the blade would be flawed.

I think a number of formites have their opinions about this seller ...but this was not the reason for the thread...I apologise, that I did not make that clear.

Best Regards David

Norman McCormick · 19th March 2009, 06:58 PM

Hi David,
I think the description is the product of a somewhat fertile imagination. I'm not sure whether you could fight your way out of a wet paper bag with these 'katars', a few layers of decent cloth would be enough to prevent any penetration never mind maille etc. I'm sure you're correct in your assumption that these are broken blades reground. If they were converted to a Katar type weapon why wouldn't you put a decent point on the thing? To attract sales is the only reason I can think of to assign a spurious use to otherwise broken equipment.
My Regards,
Norman.

trajan · 19th March 2009, 11:01 PM

Hello,

Both of these look like broken "dance" blades to me. I've handled several pata with intact broadsword like blades but most I've seen have the ceremonial or dance blade.
Both of these no longer have the functional stiff broadsword blade attached . These look like they have the very flexible dance or ceremonial blade. The great majority of old pata gauntlets seem to have this type of blade--it seems that it is rather rare to come across an unaltered one. My theory is that when they were no longer used for battle many were converted to purely ceremonial use.

I have 2 with dance blades right now and one has a broken blade still attached to the replacement blade. I imagine these were broken and then reshaped as the dance blades are rather flimsy .

Thanks
Matt

19th March 2009, 06:58 PM	#3
Norman McCormick Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1,643	Hi David, I think the description is the product of a somewhat fertile imagination. I'm not sure whether you could fight your way out of a wet paper bag with these 'katars', a few layers of decent cloth would be enough to prevent any penetration never mind maille etc. I'm sure you're correct in your assumption that these are broken blades reground. If they were converted to a Katar type weapon why wouldn't you put a decent point on the thing? To attract sales is the only reason I can think of to assign a spurious use to otherwise broken equipment. My Regards, Norman. Last edited by Norman McCormick; 19th March 2009 at 08:14 PM.

19th March 2009, 11:01 PM	#4
trajan Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 68	pata Hello, Both of these look like broken "dance" blades to me. I've handled several pata with intact broadsword like blades but most I've seen have the ceremonial or dance blade. Both of these no longer have the functional stiff broadsword blade attached . These look like they have the very flexible dance or ceremonial blade. The great majority of old pata gauntlets seem to have this type of blade--it seems that it is rather rare to come across an unaltered one. My theory is that when they were no longer used for battle many were converted to purely ceremonial use. I have 2 with dance blades right now and one has a broken blade still attached to the replacement blade. I imagine these were broken and then reshaped as the dance blades are rather flimsy . Thanks Matt

11th March 2009, 10:39 AM	#1
Royston Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Poole England Posts: 443	Just in case anyone is jumping to conclusions by looking at locations, I would like to state that this is NOT me. Regards Royston

11th March 2009, 03:50 PM	#2
katana Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Kent Posts: 2,658	Hi, my intention for starting the thread was to find out whether a Pata with a broken blade would have found itself 'pressed into service' as a Katar. To me it seemed unlikely....because the fitment of the blade is similar to a Khanda, I wondered if it was relatively easier to 'de-rivet' and replace the whole blade. If it was indeed, common for a pata (with a shortened blade) to be used as a Katar. My assumption that it was easier to replace the blade would be flawed. I think a number of formites have their opinions about this seller ...but this was not the reason for the thread...I apologise, that I did not make that clear. Best Regards David