Oriental firearms/muskets

LPCA · 4th March 2009, 07:56 AM

Hello.

For Toredar (India), not difficult to find good samples on the net or books (Tirri, ....). You can follow the link of one of my pages
http://blade.japet.com/13-inde.htm

For Chinese or others from SE., it's not so easy.

See the image from G.C. STONE: first up is of the indo-asian typical shape (stock). In fact, indian & central asian influence on chinese firearm (Mantchoue period).

Stone's others samples are later (end of XVII°-XVIII°).
I just received matchlock chinese one i bought on E...-France for a couple of bucks...
Very interesting and design piece.

Comments are welcomed.

Louis-Pierre

KuKulzA28 · 4th March 2009, 09:33 PM

Wow, thank you

. I had trouble finding sites with a lot of examples of Chinese and SE Asian firearms, but you're right, Middle Eastern/Indian ones were a lot more "common"...

I had found a lot of pictures of "camel-guns"(?) and Afghan as well as North African guns? I don't know much abotu the guns themselves, but I do know that in Afghans has guns when they invaded India, and I think the Moroccans had guns when they invaded Mali... obviously this is not where my historical knowledge is strong

#3 gun looks like a gun in the aboriginal collection of Yang-Grevot... Where was it made, do you know? Perhaps the location of origin was close to Taiwan and thus the Aborigines got their hands on some Chinese guns of that type...

LPCA · 4th March 2009, 09:51 PM

Yes, you are right for the N°3 on STONE samples. Its 90° stock is very close of the ones of Taiwan's arborigenes, but shorter. Chinese influence certainly.

pbleed · 7th March 2009, 07:46 PM

Friends,
I happen to have a flintlock gun that may be of interest in this thread. Indeed, it is the second Southeast Asian flinter I have owned. I bought it because I foolishly let the other get away. I bought this one in the box it was sent home in, in 1970 by a USAID worker. In addition to the gun, the kit included a powder horn, shot flask, and a couple of other items. I am not sure how to attach a picture. Please allow me to see if this works.
Peter Bleed

pbleed · 7th March 2009, 10:54 PM

Friends,
Having climbed the learning curve, let me attach something like a full view of this Meo gun. If this works, that is ifI really have figured out how to post pictures. this list may be in for lots of pix. I have been a long time viewer, but I have been too timid to enter the discussions.
Peter

Jim McDougall · 7th March 2009, 11:43 PM

Outstanding and very esoteric item Peter! Its good to see you posting, and you are indeed most modest, your input on these discussions will be a decidedly valuable asset. Around here the questions are every bit as important as observations and comments. We never stop learning, and best of all, doing it together!!

All the very best,
Jim

Anandalal N. · 8th March 2009, 04:51 AM

Dear Peter,

Congratulations on this interestng find. Is it possible to see an image with the pan cover closed. It must take a large flint to reach the distance from the cock to the frizzen.

Best.

4th March 2009, 07:56 AM	#1
LPCA Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Toulouse - FRANCE Posts: 83	Hello. For Toredar (India), not difficult to find good samples on the net or books (Tirri, ....). You can follow the link of one of my pages http://blade.japet.com/13-inde.htm For Chinese or others from SE., it's not so easy. See the image from G.C. STONE: first up is of the indo-asian typical shape (stock). In fact, indian & central asian influence on chinese firearm (Mantchoue period). Stone's others samples are later (end of XVII°-XVIII°). I just received matchlock chinese one i bought on E...-France for a couple of bucks... Very interesting and design piece. Comments are welcomed. Louis-Pierre Attached Images

7th March 2009, 07:46 PM	#4
pbleed Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Little Rock, Arkansas Posts: 89	Meo Flintlock, Vietnam bring back Friends, I happen to have a flintlock gun that may be of interest in this thread. Indeed, it is the second Southeast Asian flinter I have owned. I bought it because I foolishly let the other get away. I bought this one in the box it was sent home in, in 1970 by a USAID worker. In addition to the gun, the kit included a powder horn, shot flask, and a couple of other items. I am not sure how to attach a picture. Please allow me to see if this works. Peter Bleed Attached Images Last edited by pbleed; 7th March 2009 at 10:42 PM.

7th March 2009, 10:54 PM	#5
pbleed Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Little Rock, Arkansas Posts: 89	amother image of the Meo gun Friends, Having climbed the learning curve, let me attach something like a full view of this Meo gun. If this works, that is ifI really have figured out how to post pictures. this list may be in for lots of pix. I have been a long time viewer, but I have been too timid to enter the discussions. Peter Attached Images

4th March 2009, 09:33 PM	#2
KuKulzA28 Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: between work and sleep Posts: 731	Wow, thank you . I had trouble finding sites with a lot of examples of Chinese and SE Asian firearms, but you're right, Middle Eastern/Indian ones were a lot more "common"... I had found a lot of pictures of "camel-guns"(?) and Afghan as well as North African guns? I don't know much abotu the guns themselves, but I do know that in Afghans has guns when they invaded India, and I think the Moroccans had guns when they invaded Mali... obviously this is not where my historical knowledge is strong #3 gun looks like a gun in the aboriginal collection of Yang-Grevot... Where was it made, do you know? Perhaps the location of origin was close to Taiwan and thus the Aborigines got their hands on some Chinese guns of that type...

4th March 2009, 09:51 PM	#3
LPCA Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Toulouse - FRANCE Posts: 83	Yes, you are right for the N°3 on STONE samples. Its 90° stock is very close of the ones of Taiwan's arborigenes, but shorter. Chinese influence certainly.

7th March 2009, 11:43 PM	#6
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,459	Outstanding and very esoteric item Peter! Its good to see you posting, and you are indeed most modest, your input on these discussions will be a decidedly valuable asset. Around here the questions are every bit as important as observations and comments. We never stop learning, and best of all, doing it together!! All the very best, Jim

8th March 2009, 04:51 AM	#7
Anandalal N. Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 84	Dear Peter, Congratulations on this interestng find. Is it possible to see an image with the pan cover closed. It must take a large flint to reach the distance from the cock to the frizzen. Best.