16th/17th century chain shot

M ELEY · 2nd March 2009, 04:10 AM

Bump. Anyone comments on coehorns at sea?

More shot...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Di...balls_Vasa.jpg

Matchlock · 4th March 2009, 05:30 PM

PRO E36/13, pp.55-62: Inventory of the Mary Rose, 27 July 1514

Ordnance, artillery & habillaments (implements) of war left in the said ship in the charge and custody of John Browne master, & John Bryarley purser, of the same, by indenture as is aforesaid, that is to say - (margin)

Great curtows of brass 5
Murderers of brass 2
Chambers to the same 3
Falcons of brass 2
Falconets of brass 3
Great murderers of iron 1
Chambers to the same 1
Murderers of iron of another sort 2
Chambers to the same 4
Cast pieces of iron 2
Chambers to the same 4
Murderers of iron of another sort 1
Chambers to the same 2
Slings of iron called demi-slings 2
Chambers to the same 4
Stone-guns 26
Top-guns 3
Chambers to the same 75
Serpentines of iron 28
Chambers to the same 107
Forelocks for stone-guns, top-guns and serpentines 94
Myches (swivels) to the same 80
Stone shot, great and small 500
A little gun of brass without (a) chamber 1
Hammers for guns 13
Picks for stone 22
Heads for arrows of wildfire 8
Hocks for arrows of wildfire 29
Strings 600
Bags of leather 9
Parchment skins 20
Lead - 2.25 sows and certain cast (lead) Charging ladles of copper 2
Ladles of iron for casting pellets 2
Bolts of iron 17

Bows 20
Arrows 20
Bills (pole weapons) 20

Artillery and habillaments of war delivered to John Millet & Thomas Elderton by bill signed by with the hands of the foresaid commissioners, that is to say - (margin)

Hacbusshes (muskets) 91
Iron shot of divers sorts 457
Iron shot with cross-bars 120
Lead pellets, great and small 1000
Pellets for hacbusshes 900
Iron dice (for shot) 1500
Arrows of wildfire (incendiaries) 74
Balls of wildfire 2
Salets (helmets) 180
Breast(-plates) 206
Gorgets (armoured neck pieces) 146
Splints (leg armour) 172 pairs
Gun-powder 21.5 barrels
Gun-powder cartridges 1 chest-full
Charging-ladles for falcons and curtows 7
Sponges to the same 6
Stamps 3
Iron crow(-bars) 14
Bows of yew 123
Chests to the same 2
Arrows 504 sheaves
Chests to the same 11
Bills 218
Stakes for the field (pointed wooden stakes) 149
Morris pikes 159

From

http://www.maryrose.org/project/index.html

Michael

Matchlock · 4th March 2009, 06:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by M ELEY

Bump. Anyone comments on coehorns at sea?

More shot...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Di...balls_Vasa.jpg

Thanks a lot for that important link, Mark!

I hope you do not object to my posting that image of various shot found on the Vasa, which sank in 1628.

Thanks again,
Michael

Matchlock · 4th March 2009, 06:25 PM

Mark,

Here is a link to some very cheap copies of Dudley Pope's Guns at abebooks.com:

http://www.fantasticfiction.co.uk/p/...-pope/guns.htm

Michael

M ELEY · 5th March 2009, 09:22 AM

Michael,
Thank you so much for the link to the Dudley Pope book. Just purchased a copy. Thanks, also, for the extensive ordenance listing from the Mary Rose. I am frankly surprised at some of the items on that list being ordenance and not merchandise being shipped. In the later years of "Fighting Sail", with the exception of cutlass, muskets, pike, axes and of course, cannon and shot, there was little else carried for battle. In this early listing, we see breastplates, slings, arrows, and even those implements needed to make more shot, etc. Very interesting.
Yes, the Vasa is incredible and I hope to someday see it in person in my lifetime. Amazing to see a ship raised as it was in such perfect condition. Very glad you posting more pics of this important vessel.
Mark

Gavin Nugent · 11th March 2009, 08:52 AM

Another image for reference. These items are from the "Victory"

Gav

Matchlock · 11th March 2009, 04:47 PM

Good material - thanks a lot, Gav!

Michael

M ELEY · 12th March 2009, 11:31 AM

Just fascinating how many forms and types of barshot there really were. makes me want to lay my hands on an authentic piece. Too bad way out of my price range! Maybe someday...

Got my Dudley Pope book today! Awsome volume! I particularly like all of the artillary pieces covered here. Not your typical book on the subject. Thanks, Michael and Fernando, for mentioning it.

4th March 2009, 05:30 PM	#2
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	Bar Shot in the 1514 Mary Rose Armament Inventory PRO E36/13, pp.55-62: Inventory of the Mary Rose, 27 July 1514 Ordnance, artillery & habillaments (implements) of war left in the said ship in the charge and custody of John Browne master, & John Bryarley purser, of the same, by indenture as is aforesaid, that is to say - (margin) Great curtows of brass 5 Murderers of brass 2 Chambers to the same 3 Falcons of brass 2 Falconets of brass 3 Great murderers of iron 1 Chambers to the same 1 Murderers of iron of another sort 2 Chambers to the same 4 Cast pieces of iron 2 Chambers to the same 4 Murderers of iron of another sort 1 Chambers to the same 2 Slings of iron called demi-slings 2 Chambers to the same 4 Stone-guns 26 Top-guns 3 Chambers to the same 75 Serpentines of iron 28 Chambers to the same 107 Forelocks for stone-guns, top-guns and serpentines 94 Myches (swivels) to the same 80 Stone shot, great and small 500 A little gun of brass without (a) chamber 1 Hammers for guns 13 Picks for stone 22 Heads for arrows of wildfire 8 Hocks for arrows of wildfire 29 Strings 600 Bags of leather 9 Parchment skins 20 Lead - 2.25 sows and certain cast (lead) Charging ladles of copper 2 Ladles of iron for casting pellets 2 Bolts of iron 17 Bows 20 Arrows 20 Bills (pole weapons) 20 Artillery and habillaments of war delivered to John Millet & Thomas Elderton by bill signed by with the hands of the foresaid commissioners, that is to say - (margin) Hacbusshes (muskets) 91 Iron shot of divers sorts 457 Iron shot with cross-bars 120 Lead pellets, great and small 1000 Pellets for hacbusshes 900 Iron dice (for shot) 1500 Arrows of wildfire (incendiaries) 74 Balls of wildfire 2 Salets (helmets) 180 Breast(-plates) 206 Gorgets (armoured neck pieces) 146 Splints (leg armour) 172 pairs Gun-powder 21.5 barrels Gun-powder cartridges 1 chest-full Charging-ladles for falcons and curtows 7 Sponges to the same 6 Stamps 3 Iron crow(-bars) 14 Bows of yew 123 Chests to the same 2 Arrows 504 sheaves Chests to the same 11 Bills 218 Stakes for the field (pointed wooden stakes) 149 Morris pikes 159 From http://www.maryrose.org/project/index.html Michael

11th March 2009, 08:52 AM	#6
Gavin Nugent Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,818	Another image Another image for reference. These items are from the "Victory" Gav Attached Images

12th March 2009, 11:31 AM	#8
M ELEY Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: NC, U.S.A. Posts: 2,196	Just fascinating how many forms and types of barshot there really were. makes me want to lay my hands on an authentic piece. Too bad way out of my price range! Maybe someday... Got my Dudley Pope book today! Awsome volume! I particularly like all of the artillary pieces covered here. Not your typical book on the subject. Thanks, Michael and Fernando, for mentioning it. Last edited by M ELEY; 13th March 2009 at 04:12 AM.

2nd March 2009, 04:10 AM	#1
M ELEY Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: NC, U.S.A. Posts: 2,196	Bump. Anyone comments on coehorns at sea? More shot... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Di...balls_Vasa.jpg

4th March 2009, 06:25 PM	#4
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	Mark, Here is a link to some very cheap copies of Dudley Pope's Guns at abebooks.com: http://www.fantasticfiction.co.uk/p/...-pope/guns.htm Michael

5th March 2009, 09:22 AM	#5
M ELEY Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: NC, U.S.A. Posts: 2,196	Michael, Thank you so much for the link to the Dudley Pope book. Just purchased a copy. Thanks, also, for the extensive ordenance listing from the Mary Rose. I am frankly surprised at some of the items on that list being ordenance and not merchandise being shipped. In the later years of "Fighting Sail", with the exception of cutlass, muskets, pike, axes and of course, cannon and shot, there was little else carried for battle. In this early listing, we see breastplates, slings, arrows, and even those implements needed to make more shot, etc. Very interesting. Yes, the Vasa is incredible and I hope to someday see it in person in my lifetime. Amazing to see a ship raised as it was in such perfect condition. Very glad you posting more pics of this important vessel. Mark

11th March 2009, 04:47 PM	#7
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	Good material - thanks a lot, Gav! Michael