My new keris

Marcokeris · 27th February 2009, 09:22 PM

From the pics the work done on the old hit material is , without doubt, absolutely wonderful !!!

David · 27th February 2009, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcokeris

From the pics the work done on the old hit material is , without doubt, absolutely wonderful !!!

I agree. I don't think that this fossilized elephant molar material is particularly easy to carve. Often the carvings with this material are pretty basic. They did some nice detailing on this one.

kai · 27th February 2009, 10:56 PM

Congrats, nice Palembang combo!

This Sumatran gonjo iras blade certainly deserves a decent stain.

Regards,
Kai

Sajen · 28th February 2009, 02:27 AM

Thank's for the comments!

Sajen · 28th February 2009, 02:30 AM

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Originally Posted by kai

Congrats, nice Palembang combo!

This Sumatran gonjo iras blade certainly deserves a decent stain.

Regards,
Kai

Hello Kai,
thank you, but I think that this is a Minangkabau keris, the pendok is typical for and also the hilt. Don't let irritate by the warangka, you can found this form also in Minangkabau area.
Regards,
sajen

kai · 10th March 2009, 01:06 AM

Hello Sajen,

I'm glad that the blade came out as nice as expected!

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I think that this is a Minangkabau keris, the pendok is typical for and also the hilt. Don't let irritate by the warangka, you can found this form also in Minangkabau area.

Since the Minang Kabau were politically and economically well connected with Palembang / eastern Sumatra, pieces from area do pop up on the other side of the Sumatran mountain range.

I agree that we might be looking at mixed influences here:
This hilt does look Minang although most molar hilts seem to come from eastern Sumatra. The pendok type seems to show up all over Sumatra - I'm not sure this can be positively attributed to the MK.

The cross-piece does seem to be Palembang to me though (judging from the carving flow; while there's a lot of variety in shapes I also haven't seen a well-provenanced Minang cross-piece with rudder).

The blade seems more likely East Sumatran to me: bold pamor, shape, tiny greneng, and gonjo iras.

If I had to guess, I'd posit that this keris originated in Palembang and got partially refitted by a Minang owner later on.

Regards,
Kai

Sajen · 11th March 2009, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by kai

Hello Sajen,

I'm glad that the blade came out as nice as expected!

Since the Minang Kabau were politically and economically well connected with Palembang / eastern Sumatra, pieces from area do pop up on the other side of the Sumatran mountain range.

I agree that we might be looking at mixed influences here:
This hilt does look Minang although most molar hilts seem to come from eastern Sumatra. The pendok type seems to show up all over Sumatra - I'm not sure this can be positively attributed to the MK.

The cross-piece does seem to be Palembang to me though (judging from the carving flow; while there's a lot of variety in shapes I also haven't seen a well-provenanced Minang cross-piece with rudder).

The blade seems more likely East Sumatran to me: bold pamor, shape, tiny greneng, and gonjo iras.

If I had to guess, I'd posit that this keris originated in Palembang and got partially refitted by a Minang owner later on.

Regards,
Kai

Hello Kai,

you might be right that that we can see by this keris a mixed influence from two regions of Sumatra. The blade and also the wrangka shows definitely Palembang influence but I think that the pendok shows Minang character. I think that the two "horns" at the end are signs of Minagkabau influence. Also the design on the pendok is seen in Minang erea. For comparison two pictures from a Minangkabau house and the door of the same house.

Regards,
Detlef

Sajen · 28th February 2009, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcokeris

From the pics the work done on the old hit material is , without doubt, absolutely wonderful !!!

Hi Marco and also David,
agree complete with you. I am also surprised when I see first time good pictures from my friend in Indonesia!
Here the link from e-bay where you can't see this work:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=140301046376
Regards,
sajen

Sajen · 8th March 2009, 08:47 PM

Hello all,
here the first pictures from Indonesia after warangan. They have done a good job.
Regards,
sajen

Henk · 8th March 2009, 09:04 PM

Detlef,

That looks very good indeed! I only wonder why the pesi wasn't cleaned and stained completely as usually is done.

kulbuntet · 8th March 2009, 09:15 PM

Hi Detlef,

Same question come up in my head... about the peksi. For the rest nice wash.

regards Michel

Sajen · 9th March 2009, 04:16 AM

Hello Henk and Michel,
I think that he hold the keris by warangan at the peksi. I have seen this when someone stained a blade. This don't will be a problem, when I received the keris I will clean the peksi in lemon-acid.
Regards,
Detlef

Sajen · 9th March 2009, 06:35 PM

Hello,
I get now the information why the peksi not cleaned ans stained. The handle have been so hard fixed to the peksi that the warangan process have been done with the handle and the handle wrapped with plasticfilm. Later it become more and more loose so that he can open it but too late fore the staining. He have been afraid to destroy the handle. But like I write before, it don't will be a problem to clean the peksi later.
Here a picture from the keris now.
Detlef

8th March 2009, 08:47 PM	#9
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,165	Hello all, here the first pictures from Indonesia after warangan. They have done a good job. Regards, sajen Attached Images

9th March 2009, 06:35 PM	#13
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,165	Hello, I get now the information why the peksi not cleaned ans stained. The handle have been so hard fixed to the peksi that the warangan process have been done with the handle and the handle wrapped with plasticfilm. Later it become more and more loose so that he can open it but too late fore the staining. He have been afraid to destroy the handle. But like I write before, it don't will be a problem to clean the peksi later. Here a picture from the keris now. Detlef Attached Images

27th February 2009, 09:22 PM	#1
Marcokeris Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Italy Posts: 928	From the pics the work done on the old hit material is , without doubt, absolutely wonderful !!!

27th February 2009, 10:56 PM	#3
kai Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 3,255	Congrats, nice Palembang combo! This Sumatran gonjo iras blade certainly deserves a decent stain. Regards, Kai

28th February 2009, 02:27 AM	#4
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,165	Thank's for the comments!

8th March 2009, 09:04 PM	#10
Henk Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,209	Detlef, That looks very good indeed! I only wonder why the pesi wasn't cleaned and stained completely as usually is done.

8th March 2009, 09:15 PM	#11
kulbuntet Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Amsterdam, Netherlands Posts: 159	Hi Detlef, Same question come up in my head... about the peksi. For the rest nice wash. regards Michel

9th March 2009, 04:16 AM	#12
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,165	Hello Henk and Michel, I think that he hold the keris by warangan at the peksi. I have seen this when someone stained a blade. This don't will be a problem, when I received the keris I will clean the peksi in lemon-acid. Regards, Detlef