Massai shield

stekemest · 22nd February 2009, 01:25 PM

Hi kronckew,

Thank you. So the shield I posted is most likely tourist stuff?
Sorry I still don't fully understand.

Peter

kronckew · 22nd February 2009, 02:06 PM

es tut mir leid, aber ja, ich denke das ist fur touristen gemacht.

sorry for the poor german.

stekemest · 22nd February 2009, 02:25 PM

Your German is great, no mistake there.

Thank you very much kronckew.

Peter

Martin Lubojacky · 23rd February 2009, 08:08 AM

Hi Stekemest,

This is definitely tourist piece.

Ragerds,

Martin

VANDOO · 23rd February 2009, 05:33 PM

THE OLD SHIELDS ACTUALLY USED WHEN SPEARING LIONS WERE NOT FLAT BUT HAD SOME EDGES AND WERE CURVED SORT OF LIKE A SHALLOW BOAT SHAPE. THEY HAD SOME WEIGHT AND WERE THICK AND REINFORCED BY THE WOODEN FRAMEWORK AND WERE LARGE ENOUGH TO COVER THE WARRIOR WHEN HE CROUCHED DOWN.
THE ONES I HAVE HANDLED MADE TODAY ARE MUCH MORE FLIMSY AND FLAT AND ARE MOSTLY FOR CEREMONIES OR DANCES. THEY ARE ALSO CARRIED BY YOUNG BOYS DURING THEIR INITIATION CEREMONIES TO BECOME WARRIORS. I DON'T KNOW TOO MUCH ABOUT THE INITIATION BUT HAVE SEEN THE BOYS CARRING THEIR SHIELDS AND STICKS AND WEARING A DIFFERENT COSTUME AND WITH WHITE PAINT OR ASHES ON THEIR FACES IN TANZANIA. YOUR EXAMPLE WOULD FALL INTO THESE LAST TWO CATAGORIES AND LIKELY IS FOR INITIATION AS I BELIEVE THOSE ARE DISCARDED WHEN THE BOY BECOMES A MAN AND WARRIOR.

THE INITIATION SHIELD I HAVE IS 31.5 X 22 INCHES AND BASICALLY FLAT

Freddy · 23rd February 2009, 05:50 PM

I don't think this is a Masai shield, but it certainly comes from the same neighbourhood they live (probably another tribe). The construction is fairly similar to a Masai shield (wooden framework, covered in hide).
And it's quite heavy (more than 2 kgs).

Size is 105 cm x 37 cm.

stekemest · 23rd February 2009, 06:05 PM

Thank you all very much for your help.

Freddy, that's really a great shield.

22nd February 2009, 01:25 PM	#1
stekemest Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Heidelberg, Germany Posts: 183	Hi kronckew, Thank you. So the shield I posted is most likely tourist stuff? Sorry I still don't fully understand. Peter

22nd February 2009, 02:06 PM	#2
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,238	es tut mir leid, aber ja, ich denke das ist fur touristen gemacht. sorry for the poor german.

22nd February 2009, 02:25 PM	#3
stekemest Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Heidelberg, Germany Posts: 183	Your German is great, no mistake there. Thank you very much kronckew. Peter

23rd February 2009, 08:08 AM	#4
Martin Lubojacky Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Czech Republic Posts: 844	Hi Stekemest, This is definitely tourist piece. Ragerds, Martin

23rd February 2009, 05:33 PM	#5
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	THE OLD SHIELDS ACTUALLY USED WHEN SPEARING LIONS WERE NOT FLAT BUT HAD SOME EDGES AND WERE CURVED SORT OF LIKE A SHALLOW BOAT SHAPE. THEY HAD SOME WEIGHT AND WERE THICK AND REINFORCED BY THE WOODEN FRAMEWORK AND WERE LARGE ENOUGH TO COVER THE WARRIOR WHEN HE CROUCHED DOWN. THE ONES I HAVE HANDLED MADE TODAY ARE MUCH MORE FLIMSY AND FLAT AND ARE MOSTLY FOR CEREMONIES OR DANCES. THEY ARE ALSO CARRIED BY YOUNG BOYS DURING THEIR INITIATION CEREMONIES TO BECOME WARRIORS. I DON'T KNOW TOO MUCH ABOUT THE INITIATION BUT HAVE SEEN THE BOYS CARRING THEIR SHIELDS AND STICKS AND WEARING A DIFFERENT COSTUME AND WITH WHITE PAINT OR ASHES ON THEIR FACES IN TANZANIA. YOUR EXAMPLE WOULD FALL INTO THESE LAST TWO CATAGORIES AND LIKELY IS FOR INITIATION AS I BELIEVE THOSE ARE DISCARDED WHEN THE BOY BECOMES A MAN AND WARRIOR. THE INITIATION SHIELD I HAVE IS 31.5 X 22 INCHES AND BASICALLY FLAT

23rd February 2009, 05:50 PM	#6
Freddy Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sint-Amandsberg (near Ghent, Belgium) Posts: 830	I don't think this is a Masai shield, but it certainly comes from the same neighbourhood they live (probably another tribe). The construction is fairly similar to a Masai shield (wooden framework, covered in hide). And it's quite heavy (more than 2 kgs). Size is 105 cm x 37 cm.

23rd February 2009, 06:05 PM	#7
stekemest Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Heidelberg, Germany Posts: 183	Thank you all very much for your help. Freddy, that's really a great shield.