Related mysticism (Java)

[Atlantia]

Originally Posted by ganjawulung

... hopefully it is relevant to what you want to know. Please, watch this "debus" or "debus banten" -- which is vastly practized in Banten, West Jawa.

Even the television presenter "shows" the debus practice... According to the interview, "debus is not a black magic power. But part of their self defense...

View this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhQki...eature=related

GANJAWULUNG

HI, Thanks thats an interesting clip!
Poor girl doesn't loo like she wants the big needle pushed through her face!!

[David]

Originally Posted by Atlantia

HI, Thanks thats an interesting clip!
Poor girl doesn't loo like she wants the big needle pushed through her face!!

I don't want to suggest that this is a trick of some kind, but this does seem to imply that there is not great skill to be learned here as the woman is completely untrained and unfocusses for this. I wonder if the water they keep giving here doesn't have some kind of numbing agent in it.
Anyway, while certainly Debus isn't "black magic power" it also isn't any major form of self defense either.
Atlantia, i saw some of the Ring of Fire series years ago, but i only saw the one in you mentioned this past year.