Related mysticism (Java)

[David]

Yes, the film you talk about is from the Ring of Fire series with the 2 brother traveling around the far east. I have seen this and it is indeed very interesting stuff. I won't comment on "doctor" Chang here other than to say that he shows some interesting skills.
The imprints on the blade that you mention is called keris picit (there are various spellings) and i own a couple of blades with these indentations. I don't know if there is a proper name for the same marks made by the lips (ouchie ), but i am fairly sure that these are in fact legitimate (though i am also as sure that these marks have also been faked at times). The empu is said to imbue extra powers into the keris in this process.
Here is a link to a nice example which is extremely similar to one that i possess.
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ht=keris+picit

[ganjawulung]

... hopefully it is relevant to what you want to know. Please, watch this "debus" or "debus banten" -- which is vastly practized in Banten, West Jawa.

Even the television presenter "shows" the debus practice... According to the interview, "debus is not a black magic power. But part of their self defense...

View this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhQki...eature=related

GANJAWULUNG

[Atlantia]

Originally Posted by ganjawulung

... hopefully it is relevant to what you want to know. Please, watch this "debus" or "debus banten" -- which is vastly practized in Banten, West Jawa.

Even the television presenter "shows" the debus practice... According to the interview, "debus is not a black magic power. But part of their self defense...

View this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhQki...eature=related

GANJAWULUNG

HI, Thanks thats an interesting clip!
Poor girl doesn't loo like she wants the big needle pushed through her face!!

[David]

Originally Posted by Atlantia

HI, Thanks thats an interesting clip!
Poor girl doesn't loo like she wants the big needle pushed through her face!!

I don't want to suggest that this is a trick of some kind, but this does seem to imply that there is not great skill to be learned here as the woman is completely untrained and unfocusses for this. I wonder if the water they keep giving here doesn't have some kind of numbing agent in it.
Anyway, while certainly Debus isn't "black magic power" it also isn't any major form of self defense either.
Atlantia, i saw some of the Ring of Fire series years ago, but i only saw the one in you mentioned this past year.

[Atlantia]

Originally Posted by David

Yes, the film you talk about is from the Ring of Fire series with the 2 brother traveling around the far east. I have seen this and it is indeed very interesting stuff. I won't comment on "doctor" Chang here other than to say that he shows some interesting skills.
The imprints on the blade that you mention is called keris picit (there are various spellings) and i own a couple of blades with these indentations. I don't know if there is a proper name for the same marks made by the lips (ouchie ), but i am fairly sure that these are in fact legitimate (though i am also as sure that these marks have also been faked at times). The empu is said to imbue extra powers into the keris in this process.
Here is a link to a nice example which is extremely similar to one that i possess.
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ht=keris+picit

Hi David,
Did you watch the series at the time?
Can you believe it was 20 years ago????

The blademaker in the program I'm thinking of made actually pushed the imprint of his thumb or lips into the metal of the blade up on the wide part near the hilt, the blade stayed 'straight' but there was an imprint like he'd stamped it with his thumb.
Now this is 20 years ago, but I think you could see the fingerprint.