Sabre for id and comments

Yustas · 3rd February 2009, 10:44 PM

Actually it sais VIVAT WIERNE KOZAKI. It sais 18 century on the tag. These times, Rzecz Pospolita was still there. By the way, the style reminds me of polish sabre classification as "kozacka" by Zablocki's classification.
BTW. Blade is incredibly thin and bendy. Not to much, but more, then any other sabre i have seen.

ariel · 3rd February 2009, 11:09 PM

Wyerne. I misread the "r". Means "trusted".
The tag reads what the dealer wrote on it :-)
Ukraine became a part of the Russian Empire in the 17th century ( in 1653 Khmel'nicky signed the deal that was undone only recently).

Yustas · 4th February 2009, 12:13 AM

So, two options, dealer made a mistake, and sabre is first part of 17 ct.
Or it is a fake?

Jeff D · 4th February 2009, 12:27 AM

the blade is a blue and gold officer's. Used in the very late 18th century and early 19th century. Looks French but could be Russian, can't tell from the photo's.

All the Best
Jeff

Yustas · 4th February 2009, 12:36 AM

Wide spread from France to Moscovia. Any other countries, that were able to make these blades?
By the way, what do you guys think about statuette of a cossack with musket on the top of the scabbard?

Jeff D · 4th February 2009, 01:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yustas

Wide spread from France to Moscovia. Any other countries, that were able to make these blades?
By the way, what do you guys think about statuette of a cossack with musket on the top of the scabbard?

I might be able to narrow it down if you show the bluing and etchings better. also better details near the hilt and under the langets.

All the best
Jeff

Yustas · 4th February 2009, 01:18 AM

OK, I'll try to get some more pictures.

ariel · 4th February 2009, 02:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeff D

..... and under the langets.

All the best
Jeff

I see where you are going... :-)

3rd February 2009, 10:44 PM	#1
Yustas Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 40	boo Actually it sais VIVAT WIERNE KOZAKI. It sais 18 century on the tag. These times, Rzecz Pospolita was still there. By the way, the style reminds me of polish sabre classification as "kozacka" by Zablocki's classification. BTW. Blade is incredibly thin and bendy. Not to much, but more, then any other sabre i have seen.

4th February 2009, 12:13 AM	#3
Yustas Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 40	so So, two options, dealer made a mistake, and sabre is first part of 17 ct. Or it is a fake?

3rd February 2009, 11:09 PM	#2
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Wyerne. I misread the "r". Means "trusted". The tag reads what the dealer wrote on it :-) Ukraine became a part of the Russian Empire in the 17th century ( in 1653 Khmel'nicky signed the deal that was undone only recently).

4th February 2009, 12:27 AM	#4
Jeff D Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: B.C. Canada Posts: 473	the blade is a blue and gold officer's. Used in the very late 18th century and early 19th century. Looks French but could be Russian, can't tell from the photo's. All the Best Jeff

4th February 2009, 12:36 AM	#5
Yustas Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 40	Wide spread from France to Moscovia. Any other countries, that were able to make these blades? By the way, what do you guys think about statuette of a cossack with musket on the top of the scabbard?

4th February 2009, 01:18 AM	#7
Yustas Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 40	OK, I'll try to get some more pictures.