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3rd February 2009, 04:04 PM
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Hi Emanuel,
intuitively I believe the outer edge of the sickle would have been mainly used for the 'cut'. Bravo Fernando....it was there for all to see....if you can decipher Francais...my French is limited to "je voudrais une bière "   I also found that a common tactic during the Madhist uprising involved tribesman hiding/playing dead during the initial Cavalry charge and melee.....and then trying to hamstring the horses on their return .....often using their Kaskara Regards David |
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3rd February 2009, 04:47 PM
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lol, that's a ShoKasKrisNabasPilan.
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10th February 2009, 05:04 AM
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11th July 2010, 07:46 PM
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A remarkably well-educated and knowledgeable participant on another forum has identified it as... Corrida implement!
According to him, descriptions of such a device can be found at: M. Defourneaux, "L`Espagne au siecle d`or", 1996. Page 176 Théophile Gautier,Voyage en Espagne 1862. Page 353 and in multiple other Spanish and French contemporay sources. It was allegedly used by peons ( maintenance workers) at the corrida to immobilize and to slaughter the still-alive bull. Spanish colleagues: any access to first-hand information? French speakers: can you verify the above sources? |
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11th July 2010, 11:41 PM
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Here is the Gautier source:
http://books.google.ca/books?id=hMbQ...page&q&f=false He describes a "media-luna" or half moon, aka crescent, on a staff used to cut the bull's tendons and effectively immobilizing it so it can be finished off. No illustration is give. Haven't found Defourneaux yet. |
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12th July 2010, 12:08 AM
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'on a staff .'
I would not like to attempt this with a sword-length implement . Too close for my comfort . Have recently seen a horrible youtube goring of a Matador .* I'll pass on this job . *no links please! |
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12th July 2010, 12:12 PM
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The "medialuna" or "media-luna" was (still is) indeed a tool to hamstring the bull, not only in the "corrida" but also in cattle-herding. I managed to find a picture of an old one:  It is also known as "desjarretadera" ("harmstringer"). There's some modern variations that are no longer crescent-shaped. It was used at the end of a long staff (as it's mentioned in Gautier), in Spain and in areas of Spanish influence.  I'm no specialist, so I might be wrong, but it would really surprise me if the "sword" in discussion was such an instrument... Best, Marc |
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12th July 2010, 02:20 PM
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A very interesting post, thank you for showing your research here and Ariel thank you for starting and following through on this thread and a special thanks to your comrade. Marc, the images you have bought to light here certainly helps my mind draw parallels to the same pole weapon found in some Chinese martial schools. So many weapons are considered to have developed from a farming background, now it supports my thoughts in some way with this example shown below. Thank you Gav |
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3rd February 2009, 04:47 PM
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3rd February 2009, 05:06 PM
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.......some might say.... 'gi'me a lager'  Regards David |
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4th February 2009, 04:40 AM
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Good grief!
Actually, I think this "sword" came early in the evolution of the game of hockey. It's what they used before they invented hockey sticks. They had to switch to sticks because they were losing too many players to the noble sport of Spanish Sword Hockey. The Basques also preserved a version of Spanish Sword Hockey, except they called it Jai-alai...... Best, F |
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4th February 2009, 04:42 AM
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So it would be "Mine's a large one!"
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5th February 2009, 12:14 PM
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Bizar sword
About a year ago this sword (or a very similar one) landed in Tel Aviv, Israel. A colleague collector purchased it in a very respected shop in Paris, hence i suspect it is the very same sword. The seller (which I consider a knowlegeable one) said exactly what is in written in the label shown above: Spanish, late 19 C. used again the French cavalry.
I had the questionable pleasure to restore the scabbard which arrived quite shattered (mailing damage). Yesterday I visited this collector and took few photos - Attached. The blade is very well forged, with a central fuller, double edged on its entire length. The grips are hardwood and scabbard is wood with steel reinforcing mounts - all painted black (original color). Two carrying rings. Total length 36 inches. Enjoy it. |
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