What a bizarre sword!

RSWORD · 2nd February 2009, 03:32 AM

Even more unusual that the thing has a scabbard!

VANDOO · 2nd February 2009, 03:41 AM

AHA! THE DEADLY SOCK SWORD CARRIED BY FRENCH FOOT SOLDIERS

Emanuel · 2nd February 2009, 04:07 AM

The top is a physical description of the blade and handle, which apparently is in the shape of a gun handle (in the oriental style)
The interesting bit is partly covered up by the scabbard.

"Ce sabre a ete _____ Cavalerie Legere espagnole pendant la
Campagne de 180 _____ par les ___ des chevaux de la Cavalerie
Lourde francaise p_____
Cree par le general_____"

"This sabre has been____ Spanish Light cavalry during the
Campaign of 180_____by the ___ of the horses of the French
Heavy Cavalry___
Created by the general ____"

So all the important parts are lost

It's an early 1800s sword though, unless the 0 is something else. Napoleon's invasion of Spain??

Maybe something like a zaghnal? And since it has something to do with horses, maybe it was used to trip cavalry. Napoleon had some Mameluke troops at the time didn't he?

Emanuel

Emanuel · 2nd February 2009, 04:16 AM

And here is the sword in question with the blown up description.

Emanuel · 2nd February 2009, 04:21 AM

- double post - please delete

Emanuel · 2nd February 2009, 04:22 AM

Notice that from the angle of the handle and its shadow, the scikle part actually turns backwards...that or the handle is put on the wrong way.

Jim McDougall · 2nd February 2009, 03:54 PM

Bizarre is an understatement !!! I sit here staring at this thing after completely losing control after Vandoo's 'deadly foot sword' comment !!! LOL!
and trying to see if the scabbard opens all the way down the back.

Emanuel offers some rational thoughts, and trying to break through the humor I am completely baffled by this.
Looking forward to some more clues,
as Holmes always says to Watson,
"...the games afoot!!"

sorry, couldn't help it,

Jim

Tim Simmons · 2nd February 2009, 04:09 PM

The work on the scabbard reminds me of Kaskra and Shotel? If it was used like a Mambele the handle would be the right way round?

fernando · 3rd February 2009, 01:25 PM

Could it be:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Manolo

... "Ce sabre a ete utilisé par la Cavalerie Legere espagnole pendant la Campagne de 180 _____ pour couper les jarrets des chevaux de la Cavalerie Lourde francaise p_____Cree par le general_____"

"This sabre has been used by the Spanish Light cavalry during the Campaign of 180_____ for cutting the hamstrings of the horses of the French Heavy Cavalry___ Created by the general ____ ...

A version of halberd blade, used to cut the horses tendons ?

.
Fernando

Emanuel · 3rd February 2009, 03:39 PM

"jarrets" looks right Fernando, i couldn't make out the word.

Mystery solved then about what it's for

Now who the hell came up with it.

David, the handle bulb is not facing the same way as the scickle part, that's why I said it might be on the wrong way.

Emanuel

katana · 3rd February 2009, 04:04 PM

Hi Emanuel,
intuitively I believe the outer edge of the sickle would have been mainly used for the 'cut'.

Bravo Fernando....it was there for all to see....if you can decipher Francais...my French is limited to "je voudrais une bière "

I also found that a common tactic during the Madhist uprising involved tribesman hiding/playing dead during the initial Cavalry charge and melee.....and then trying to hamstring the horses on their return .....often using their Kaskara

Regards David

Spunjer · 3rd February 2009, 04:47 PM

lol, that's a ShoKasKrisNabasPilan.

fernando · 3rd February 2009, 04:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by katana

....if you can decipher Francais...my French is limited to "je voudrais une bière "

I thought you Brits could only say: gi'me a pint a bitter

Fernando

broadaxe · 5th February 2009, 04:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fernando

Could it be:

A version of halberd blade, used to cut the horses tendons ?

.
Fernando

I had seen this sword in person several years ago in the mentioned store, Paris. The seller caimed the same.

Ha ha

some intersting things do end up over here...

nKante · 6th February 2009, 04:08 PM

it seems difficult to swing! Would it have been used hanging low, trailing behind the rider in order to slice a passing horse? I could also see it cutting saddle straps that way.

ariel · 7th February 2009, 01:48 AM

I do not think so: it looks like a kind of scythe. Must have been swung widely, to slash through anything in its way: a Grim Reaper, if you like.
If so, the rest ( kris-type "luks", blade with a fuller etc) was just for show.
In the medieval Europe, scythe blades were mounted vertically on a long handle, making them a formidable peasant weapon.

2nd February 2009, 04:16 AM	#4
Emanuel Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 1,242	And here is the sword in question with the blown up description. Attached Images

2nd February 2009, 03:32 AM	#1
RSWORD Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Greensboro, NC Posts: 1,087	Even more unusual that the thing has a scabbard!

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VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	AHA! THE DEADLY SOCK SWORD CARRIED BY FRENCH FOOT SOLDIERS

2nd February 2009, 04:07 AM	#3
Emanuel Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 1,242	The top is a physical description of the blade and handle, which apparently is in the shape of a gun handle (in the oriental style) The interesting bit is partly covered up by the scabbard. "Ce sabre a ete _____ Cavalerie Legere espagnole pendant la Campagne de 180 _____ par les ___ des chevaux de la Cavalerie Lourde francaise p_____ Cree par le general_____" "This sabre has been____ Spanish Light cavalry during the Campaign of 180_____by the ___ of the horses of the French Heavy Cavalry___ Created by the general ____" So all the important parts are lost It's an early 1800s sword though, unless the 0 is something else. Napoleon's invasion of Spain?? Maybe something like a zaghnal? And since it has something to do with horses, maybe it was used to trip cavalry. Napoleon had some Mameluke troops at the time didn't he? Emanuel

2nd February 2009, 04:21 AM	#5
Emanuel Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 1,242	- double post - please delete

2nd February 2009, 04:22 AM	#6
Emanuel Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 1,242	Notice that from the angle of the handle and its shadow, the scikle part actually turns backwards...that or the handle is put on the wrong way.

2nd February 2009, 03:54 PM	#7
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,281	Bizarre is an understatement !!! I sit here staring at this thing after completely losing control after Vandoo's 'deadly foot sword' comment !!! LOL! and trying to see if the scabbard opens all the way down the back. Emanuel offers some rational thoughts, and trying to break through the humor I am completely baffled by this. Looking forward to some more clues, as Holmes always says to Watson, "...the games afoot!!" sorry, couldn't help it, Jim

2nd February 2009, 04:09 PM	#8
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,854	The work on the scabbard reminds me of Kaskra and Shotel? If it was used like a Mambele the handle would be the right way round?

3rd February 2009, 03:39 PM	#10
Emanuel Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 1,242	"jarrets" looks right Fernando, i couldn't make out the word. Mystery solved then about what it's for Now who the hell came up with it. David, the handle bulb is not facing the same way as the scickle part, that's why I said it might be on the wrong way. Emanuel

3rd February 2009, 04:04 PM	#11
katana Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Kent Posts: 2,658	Hi Emanuel, intuitively I believe the outer edge of the sickle would have been mainly used for the 'cut'. Bravo Fernando....it was there for all to see....if you can decipher Francais...my French is limited to "je voudrais une bière " I also found that a common tactic during the Madhist uprising involved tribesman hiding/playing dead during the initial Cavalry charge and melee.....and then trying to hamstring the horses on their return .....often using their Kaskara Regards David

3rd February 2009, 04:47 PM	#12
Spunjer Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Witness Protection Program Posts: 1,730	lol, that's a ShoKasKrisNabasPilan.

6th February 2009, 04:08 PM	#15
nKante Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Philly Posts: 72	it seems difficult to swing! Would it have been used hanging low, trailing behind the rider in order to slice a passing horse? I could also see it cutting saddle straps that way.

7th February 2009, 01:48 AM	#16
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	I do not think so: it looks like a kind of scythe. Must have been swung widely, to slash through anything in its way: a Grim Reaper, if you like. If so, the rest ( kris-type "luks", blade with a fuller etc) was just for show. In the medieval Europe, scythe blades were mounted vertically on a long handle, making them a formidable peasant weapon.