War Dogs !!!

Freddy · 27th January 2009, 09:02 PM

Here's WOLF ! One mean and vicious killer chichuahua. Weighs a full 3 kgs.

He will fight you .....and the rest of the world, too !

Emanuel · 27th January 2009, 09:10 PM

they'd be Irish woldhounds.

I don't have one unfortunately, but this is the kind of dog I'll get

kisak · 27th January 2009, 09:10 PM

I grew up around Greenland dogs, a breed which seems to consider itself quite capable of harassing polar bears. Here's a clip from a Norwegian documentary about a hunter on Svalbard, with a few bears visiting: http://www1.nrk.no/nett-tv/indeks/95503

Atlantia · 27th January 2009, 09:41 PM

'As the Lion is to the Cat, so the Mastiff is to the Dog'

Sorry if I recall that quote inaccurately.

When I think war dog (and I mean in a hiostorical dogs used way) I always think of the Mastiff.

There is an astonishing and allegedly true story about the origin of the English Bull Mastiff breed.
One of King Henrys nobelmen (Sir Peers Legh, I think) fighting with him at the battle of Agincourt took his (French) Mastiff with him.
It is said that he was unhorsed and seriously injured early in the battle and his Mastiff took it upon itself to defend him from all who approached. This included the English Knights and soldiers!
Apparently even groups of armoured French knights were kept at bay by this most devoted of dawgs.
He kept this up for several hours, only relinquishing his ward when after the battle he was approached by members of Legh's close retinue whom he recognised as friends.

Although his master eventually died of his wounds, the mastiffs many small wounds were not enough to finish him and he was returned home to England (apparently honoured by the King!) and became the 'father' of the English Mastiff breed.

spiral · 27th January 2009, 11:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kisak

I grew up around Greenland dogs, a breed which seems to consider itself quite capable of harassing polar bears. Here's a clip from a Norwegian documentary about a hunter on Svalbard, with a few bears visiting: http://www1.nrk.no/nett-tv/indeks/95503

Great dogs, & link but that polar bear is but a puppy itself surely? A adult polar bear would take each chained dog as food I imagine?

Spiral

Atlantia · 27th January 2009, 09:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Freddy

Here's WOLF ! One mean and vicious killer chichuahua. Weighs a full 3 kgs.

He will fight you .....and the rest of the world, too !

He's very 'fierce' and cute!

Just don't feed him after midnight!

fernando · 27th January 2009, 09:59 PM

What can them doggies do, comparing to real war cats ?
Fernando

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katana · 28th January 2009, 12:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fernando

What can them doggies do, comparing to real war cats ?
Fernando

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......Or War Reindeer perhaps ?.....Fernando

Kind Regards David

pallas · 28th January 2009, 02:22 AM

the alano espanol was the wardog of the spanish conquistadores, they set these dogs upon the indians quite often during the course of their conquests, even going so far as to keep indians prisoner as food for the dogs........of course they later where used as cattle dogs on the huge haciendas throughout spanish america.....the alano was one of two direct descendents of the alaunt, a large, primitive LGD/combat dog which had been brought into europe by the alans from the central asia/caucasus area in the 5th century, the other descendant of the alaunt being the old white english bulldog, which arrived in britain with the norman conquest in 1066. some say there might also be a third direct descendant of the alaunt, that being the dogue de bordeaux of france, which coincidentally was also used as a wardog (and later as a fighting dog in the ring) by the french from the 1200's on.

the alano still survives in spain in its pure form as a cattle dog and sometimes unfortunatly, as a fighting dog as well.....it has given rise directly to at least 4 other breeds, the presa canario (also known as the "dog of prey") of the canary islands, the El Gran Mastin de Borinquen (puerto rican mastiff) of puerto rico, the cimmaron uraguayo of uraguay, and the fila braziliero of brazil. the old southern white bulldog or "plantation" "old time" bulldog and the extinct cuban bloodhound also derive half their lineage from the alano.......

its a sort of sad twist that the original english bulldog no longer exists in its true form, instead having been warped into the grotesque lapdog that is the english bulldog of today. the american bulldog is what the english bulldog used to be.

and there ive gone rambling on about dogs for a half hour or so......

kahnjar1 · 28th January 2009, 03:21 AM

Sorry I can't let the dogs have all the glory!!
Attached from Internet.....our actual cat is too laid back to protect anything!

Gonzalo G · 28th January 2009, 03:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pallas

the alano espanol was the wardog of the spanish conquistadores, they set these dogs upon the indians quite often during the course of their conquests, even going so far as to keep indians prisoner as food for the dogs........

A tremendous story. I would love to read the source of it. The only valid reference about war dogs that I know, comes from Bernal Diaz del Castillo, a Cortez´s soldier which accompanied him and fought in all the battles for the conquest of Tenochtitlan. He does mention the dogs, but he speaks about the spanish mastiff. I don´t believe the spanish would waste a good slave feeding the dogs...too expensive and unecessary...

pallas · 28th January 2009, 06:41 AM

Mark Derr's A Dog's History of America (North Point Press: 2004; see Washington Post book review) offers a broad portrait of the use of war dogs in the Americas. According to Derry, the Conquistadors' dogs were "specifically bred and trained to hunt down and disembowel Indians," and they followed the "practice of bringing along on any campaign chained Indian slaves as food for the dogs."

From Pestilence and Genocide (excerpted from the book American Holocaust by David Stannard, Oxford University Press, 1992: "...[Vasco Núñez de Balboa] had his own favorite dog-Leoncico, or "little lion," a reddish-colored cross between a greyhound and a mastiff-that was rewarded at the end of a campaign for the amount of killing it had done. On one much celebrated occasion, Leoncico tore the head off an Indian leader in Panama while Balboa, his men, and other dogs completed the slaughter of everyone in a village that had the ill fortune to lie in their journey's path. Heads of human adults do not come off easily, so the authors of Dogs of the Conquest seem correct in calling this a "remarkable feat," although Balboa's men usually were able to do quite well by themselves. As one contemporary description of this same massacre notes: "The Spaniards cut off the arm of one, the leg or hip of another, and from some their heads at one stroke, like butchers cutting up beef and mutton for market. Six hundred, including the cacique, were thus slain like brute beasts. ...Vasco ordered forty of them to be torn to pieces by dogs."

Atrocities of the Spanish Conquistadors in the West Indies Account from Bartolome de Las Casas (missionary and conquistadore) circa 1513: "...The Spaniards with their horses, their spears and lances, began to commit murders and other strange cruelties. They entered into towns and villages, sparing neither children nor old men and women. They ripped their bellies and cut them to pieces as if they had been slaughtering lambs in a field....Most tried to flee. They tried to hide in the mountains. They tried to flee from these men. Men who were empty of all pity, behaving like savage beasts. They are nothing more than slaughterers and enemies of mankind. These evil men had even taught their hounds, fierce dogs, to tear natives to pieces at first sight...."

fernando · 28th January 2009, 11:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by katana

......Or War Reindeer perhaps ?.....Fernando

Kind Regards David

David, how dare you ?

Now you owe me image rights.

Fernando

fernando · 29th January 2009, 10:34 AM

Hi David,

Quote:

Originally Posted by fernando

......Or War Reindeer perhaps ?.....Fernando.
Kind Regards David

Quote:

Originally Posted by fernando

David, how dare you ?

Now you owe me image rights.

Fernando

It was not my intention to make you think you have offended or upset me.
I swear i was really amazed with the idea that you thought i was an actual war reindeer

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I am frustrated; i thought Portuguese humour was closer to that of Brits

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I wil try and do better, next time

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Fernando

Atlantia · 29th January 2009, 04:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fernando

Hi David,

It was not my intention to make you think you have offended or upset me.
I swear i was really amazed with the idea that you thought i was an actual war reindeer

.
I am frustrated; i thought Portuguese humour was closer to that of Brits

.
I wil try and do better, next time

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Fernando

Hi Fernando,

It is a funny picture

You don't look too excited to be a reindeer!
I think David (Katana) should have to post one of himself in a similar novelty garb!

Its only fair

David?

Regards
Gene

Lew · 28th January 2009, 02:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fernando

What can them doggies do, comparing to real war cats ?
Fernando

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Click this is so funny!

http://io9.com/5115803/brad-pitt-as-...cats-i-support

Lew

fernando · 28th January 2009, 04:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LOUIEBLADES

Click this is so funny!

http://io9.com/5115803/brad-pitt-as-...cats-i-support

Lew

Poor Brad,
If he comes around in that outfit, my youngest war cat will devour him at breakfast

.
Fernando

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Tim Simmons · 28th January 2009, 06:16 PM

A little "R n R" under the influence of the bottle.

David · 28th January 2009, 07:41 PM

Here are the furious fighting felines Monk (the Magnificent) and Ravi (the Rave Ravster) fighting it out to the death in flurry of claws and fur.....well....sorta.

27th January 2009, 09:02 PM	#1
Freddy Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sint-Amandsberg (near Ghent, Belgium) Posts: 830	TAKE CARE ! ! ! Here's WOLF ! One mean and vicious killer chichuahua. Weighs a full 3 kgs. He will fight you .....and the rest of the world, too !

27th January 2009, 09:10 PM	#2
Emanuel Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 1,242	If lions were canines... they'd be Irish woldhounds. I don't have one unfortunately, but this is the kind of dog I'll get Attached Images

27th January 2009, 09:59 PM	#7
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kahnjar1 Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: CHRISTCHURCH NEW ZEALAND Posts: 2,797	Sorry I can't let the dogs have all the glory!! Attached from Internet.....our actual cat is too laid back to protect anything! Attached Images

28th January 2009, 06:16 PM	#18
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,875	A little "R n R" under the influence of the bottle. Attached Images

27th January 2009, 09:10 PM	#3
kisak Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Stockholm Posts: 182	I grew up around Greenland dogs, a breed which seems to consider itself quite capable of harassing polar bears. Here's a clip from a Norwegian documentary about a hunter on Svalbard, with a few bears visiting: http://www1.nrk.no/nett-tv/indeks/95503

27th January 2009, 09:41 PM	#4
Atlantia Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: The Sharp end Posts: 2,928	'As the Lion is to the Cat, so the Mastiff is to the Dog' Sorry if I recall that quote inaccurately. When I think war dog (and I mean in a hiostorical dogs used way) I always think of the Mastiff. There is an astonishing and allegedly true story about the origin of the English Bull Mastiff breed. One of King Henrys nobelmen (Sir Peers Legh, I think) fighting with him at the battle of Agincourt took his (French) Mastiff with him. It is said that he was unhorsed and seriously injured early in the battle and his Mastiff took it upon itself to defend him from all who approached. This included the English Knights and soldiers! Apparently even groups of armoured French knights were kept at bay by this most devoted of dawgs. He kept this up for several hours, only relinquishing his ward when after the battle he was approached by members of Legh's close retinue whom he recognised as friends. Although his master eventually died of his wounds, the mastiffs many small wounds were not enough to finish him and he was returned home to England (apparently honoured by the King!) and became the 'father' of the English Mastiff breed.

28th January 2009, 02:22 AM	#9
pallas Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 53	the alano espanol was the wardog of the spanish conquistadores, they set these dogs upon the indians quite often during the course of their conquests, even going so far as to keep indians prisoner as food for the dogs........of course they later where used as cattle dogs on the huge haciendas throughout spanish america.....the alano was one of two direct descendents of the alaunt, a large, primitive LGD/combat dog which had been brought into europe by the alans from the central asia/caucasus area in the 5th century, the other descendant of the alaunt being the old white english bulldog, which arrived in britain with the norman conquest in 1066. some say there might also be a third direct descendant of the alaunt, that being the dogue de bordeaux of france, which coincidentally was also used as a wardog (and later as a fighting dog in the ring) by the french from the 1200's on. the alano still survives in spain in its pure form as a cattle dog and sometimes unfortunatly, as a fighting dog as well.....it has given rise directly to at least 4 other breeds, the presa canario (also known as the "dog of prey") of the canary islands, the El Gran Mastin de Borinquen (puerto rican mastiff) of puerto rico, the cimmaron uraguayo of uraguay, and the fila braziliero of brazil. the old southern white bulldog or "plantation" "old time" bulldog and the extinct cuban bloodhound also derive half their lineage from the alano....... its a sort of sad twist that the original english bulldog no longer exists in its true form, instead having been warped into the grotesque lapdog that is the english bulldog of today. the american bulldog is what the english bulldog used to be. and there ive gone rambling on about dogs for a half hour or so......

28th January 2009, 06:41 AM	#12
pallas Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 53	Mark Derr's A Dog's History of America (North Point Press: 2004; see Washington Post book review) offers a broad portrait of the use of war dogs in the Americas. According to Derry, the Conquistadors' dogs were "specifically bred and trained to hunt down and disembowel Indians," and they followed the "practice of bringing along on any campaign chained Indian slaves as food for the dogs." From Pestilence and Genocide (excerpted from the book American Holocaust by David Stannard, Oxford University Press, 1992: "...[Vasco Núñez de Balboa] had his own favorite dog-Leoncico, or "little lion," a reddish-colored cross between a greyhound and a mastiff-that was rewarded at the end of a campaign for the amount of killing it had done. On one much celebrated occasion, Leoncico tore the head off an Indian leader in Panama while Balboa, his men, and other dogs completed the slaughter of everyone in a village that had the ill fortune to lie in their journey's path. Heads of human adults do not come off easily, so the authors of Dogs of the Conquest seem correct in calling this a "remarkable feat," although Balboa's men usually were able to do quite well by themselves. As one contemporary description of this same massacre notes: "The Spaniards cut off the arm of one, the leg or hip of another, and from some their heads at one stroke, like butchers cutting up beef and mutton for market. Six hundred, including the cacique, were thus slain like brute beasts. ...Vasco ordered forty of them to be torn to pieces by dogs." Atrocities of the Spanish Conquistadors in the West Indies Account from Bartolome de Las Casas (missionary and conquistadore) circa 1513: "...The Spaniards with their horses, their spears and lances, began to commit murders and other strange cruelties. They entered into towns and villages, sparing neither children nor old men and women. They ripped their bellies and cut them to pieces as if they had been slaughtering lambs in a field....Most tried to flee. They tried to hide in the mountains. They tried to flee from these men. Men who were empty of all pity, behaving like savage beasts. They are nothing more than slaughterers and enemies of mankind. These evil men had even taught their hounds, fierce dogs, to tear natives to pieces at first sight...."

28th January 2009, 07:41 PM	#19
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,228	War Cats Rule! Here are the furious fighting felines Monk (the Magnificent) and Ravi (the Rave Ravster) fighting it out to the death in flurry of claws and fur.....well....sorta. Attached Images