etched kaskara blade?

stephen wood · 26th January 2009, 08:23 AM

...thanks David. What is "stock removal"?

katana · 26th January 2009, 09:32 AM

Hi Stephen,
stock removal is the shaping of the part by the removal of metal (filing, grinding) to create the object /shape. The tang does not look 'forged to shape' on this blade ....but the pictures are not that good.

Usually with such a short tang and no rivet holes I would have thought this was 'resin' set into a hilt

Regards David

stephen wood · 26th January 2009, 02:14 PM

This image shows how a blade with such an unpierced tang is fixed into the hilt.

It is a "thuluth" kaskara - note how wide and flat the blade is and the characteristic "rounded" pommel.

Atlantia · 7th February 2009, 06:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stephen wood

This image shows how a blade with such an unpierced tang is fixed into the hilt.

It is a "thuluth" kaskara - note how wide and flat the blade is and the characteristic "rounded" pommel.

God that's so unfair!
I want my own X-Ray machine

stephen wood · 7th February 2009, 06:44 PM

Jim McDougall · 7th February 2009, 07:44 PM

Thank you for the update Stephen, and the Civil War period seems to well correspond with the W.Clauberg maker of Solingen. It seems I have seen quite a few Union sabres of the Civil War with that marking and name.
Interesting to note that in U.S. regulation patterns, one of the first actual patterns was the M1840 cavalry sabre, affectionately (?) termed by the troops, the 'old wristbreaker'. This descriptive term resulted in reality more from insufficient training and regular use by the men than any defect in the swords balance. When the pattern was first introduced, there was a great deal of conflict concerning contracts, and if memory serves, some of the first issues were produced by Solingen makers (I think it might have been Walscheid, but cant recall offhand).

Interesting to see how late these 'early' form sword blades were produced, though commonly held that these kaskara trade blades were 18th century.
The 'thuluth' term, it seems I read, actually means 'third'.

All best regards,
Jim

stephen wood · 17th October 2009, 12:52 PM

...inside the fuller near the hilt on both sides 1258 Mohammad Ahmed which is the name of the Mahdi and a Gregorian date of around 1842 - two years before his birth

I saw one recently with the same.

26th January 2009, 02:14 PM	#3
stephen wood Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 227	This image shows how a blade with such an unpierced tang is fixed into the hilt. It is a "thuluth" kaskara - note how wide and flat the blade is and the characteristic "rounded" pommel. Attached Images

26th January 2009, 08:23 AM	#1
stephen wood Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 227	...thanks David. What is "stock removal"?

26th January 2009, 09:32 AM	#2
katana Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Kent Posts: 2,658	Hi Stephen, stock removal is the shaping of the part by the removal of metal (filing, grinding) to create the object /shape. The tang does not look 'forged to shape' on this blade ....but the pictures are not that good. Usually with such a short tang and no rivet holes I would have thought this was 'resin' set into a hilt Regards David

7th February 2009, 06:44 PM	#5
stephen wood Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 227

7th February 2009, 07:44 PM	#6
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,192	Thank you for the update Stephen, and the Civil War period seems to well correspond with the W.Clauberg maker of Solingen. It seems I have seen quite a few Union sabres of the Civil War with that marking and name. Interesting to note that in U.S. regulation patterns, one of the first actual patterns was the M1840 cavalry sabre, affectionately (?) termed by the troops, the 'old wristbreaker'. This descriptive term resulted in reality more from insufficient training and regular use by the men than any defect in the swords balance. When the pattern was first introduced, there was a great deal of conflict concerning contracts, and if memory serves, some of the first issues were produced by Solingen makers (I think it might have been Walscheid, but cant recall offhand). Interesting to see how late these 'early' form sword blades were produced, though commonly held that these kaskara trade blades were 18th century. The 'thuluth' term, it seems I read, actually means 'third'. All best regards, Jim

17th October 2009, 12:52 PM	#7
stephen wood Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 227	...inside the fuller near the hilt on both sides 1258 Mohammad Ahmed which is the name of the Mahdi and a Gregorian date of around 1842 - two years before his birth I saw one recently with the same.