Visayan "pinuti"

Ian · 17th April 2005, 11:50 PM

Further pursuing narrow-bladed Visayan weapons that may be called pinuti, here is another one that I picked up a while ago. It is probably WWII vintage, judging from the old khaki-colored metal strips around the scabbard and hilt. These could be off old WWII ammo containers, which I have seen before on WWII era Philippine knives.

The hilt is one of those abbreviated kakatuas which are often found on the heavy, blunt-ended choppers from Panay, Negros -- binangon. The blade is basically a very skinny version of a tenegre. The edge is hardened, as seen in the pictures.

This sword is village quality in its construction, but does illustrate the pinuti theme.

tom hyle · 18th April 2005, 01:15 AM

Interesting that the temper line does not seem to curve back to go all the way to the tip(?) I have a parang nabur with a similar feature, which is common on kukuri.

LabanTayo · 18th April 2005, 03:12 AM

Here are 2 of my Tenegre / Pinuti

Federico · 22nd April 2005, 12:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Ian

Further pursuing narrow-bladed Visayan weapons that may be called pinuti, here is another one that I picked up a while ago. It is probably WWII vintage, judging from the old khaki-colored metal strips around the scabbard and hilt. These could be off old WWII ammo containers, which I have seen before on WWII era Philippine knives.

The hilt is one of those abbreviated kakatuas which are often found on the heavy, blunt-ended choppers from Panay, Negros -- binangon. The blade is basically a very skinny version of a tenegre. The edge is hardened, as seen in the pictures.

This sword is village quality in its construction, but does illustrate the pinuti theme.

I have a very similar blade that I bought from a vets son along with a diety hlted binangon. The father was stationed near Letye, but then we normally dont associate diety pieces with the area. Both bolo seemed of similar construction and age, and due to the presence of a circular wood guard on the diety piece, Zel suggested a possible much older date than WWII. Are the fittings brazed or solid? I know on mine, they feature old style brazing, something that dissappears in many bolo circa WWII.

ibeam · 23rd April 2005, 05:18 AM

LT, great examples of Tenegre / pinuti. I like the left handed version.

Are Pinuti limited to only thin bladed Visayan swords? How about thin bladed swords from Luzon??

or are they named differently like Matulis na bolo?

Ian · 23rd April 2005, 12:45 PM

'beam:

As you suggest, I think ang bolo na matulis would be an accurate description for a Luzon equivalent of the pinuti.

And then there is the Bonifacio, which I think is a long, clipped blade but I would appreciate someone providing examples of that particular style.

Ian.

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Originally Posted by ibeam

LT, great examples of Tenegre / pinuti. I like the left handed version.

Are Pinuti limited to only thin bladed Visayan swords? How about thin bladed swords from Luzon??

or are they named differently like Matulis na bolo?

Spunjer · 23rd April 2005, 12:58 PM

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And then there is the Bonifacio, which I think is a long, clipped blade but I would appreciate someone providing examples of that particular style.

i was going ask about this particular type of sword, as i've seen an example with what appears to be a visayan type, only with a clipped point, ala bowie knife...

tom hyle · 23rd April 2005, 03:28 PM

Bonifacio is an historical figure. One imagines that perhaps the association of a certain sword type with him may be both as vague and/or as well-founded as the Jim Bowie/Mexican bolo connection (which seems to me to run in the other direction than typically claimed in US, if it exists at all); in US, for whatever that's worth, it more seems to refer to the style of hilt; octagonal horn, usually a very stylized swell-centered hoof shape; with a long brass bolster (sometimes a ferule) and a certain characteristic often/usually cast-on brass European style guard as seen on "Africa, Naga, SE Asia?" in iron and likely European/Eurocolonial. There's great variety in the blades; I've heard that the "true" Bonifacio ones are either the bowie-like short-clip ones, or (variously) the matulis-like ones with long points. Squared/cut-point blades are also seen, and (I think newly) a wild profusion of other shapes. It seems to me to be the cultural successor to the older style matulis.

Spunjer · 23rd April 2005, 04:27 PM

that's just it; i've never heard of "bonifacio" type sword until recently. whenever i see a pictures or sculptures(notably the bonifacio monument in Monumento, Caloocan city), of andres (bonifacio) weilding a sword, it's always what is comonly known as itak, nothing more. I wonder if this certain type (the "bonifacio") is derived from these pictures, or did andres has a specific type of itak? hmmmm....

17th April 2005, 11:50 PM	#1
Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,361	Another example -- sword length Further pursuing narrow-bladed Visayan weapons that may be called pinuti, here is another one that I picked up a while ago. It is probably WWII vintage, judging from the old khaki-colored metal strips around the scabbard and hilt. These could be off old WWII ammo containers, which I have seen before on WWII era Philippine knives. The hilt is one of those abbreviated kakatuas which are often found on the heavy, blunt-ended choppers from Panay, Negros -- binangon. The blade is basically a very skinny version of a tenegre. The edge is hardened, as seen in the pictures. This sword is village quality in its construction, but does illustrate the pinuti theme. Attached Images Last edited by Ian; 18th April 2005 at 04:08 AM.

18th April 2005, 03:12 AM	#3
LabanTayo Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Kansas City Posts: 177	Here are 2 of my Tenegre / Pinuti Attached Images

18th April 2005, 01:15 AM	#2
tom hyle Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Houston, TX, USA Posts: 1,254	Interesting that the temper line does not seem to curve back to go all the way to the tip(?) I have a parang nabur with a similar feature, which is common on kukuri.

23rd April 2005, 05:18 AM	#5
ibeam Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: New Jersey Posts: 134	LT, great examples of Tenegre / pinuti. I like the left handed version. Are Pinuti limited to only thin bladed Visayan swords? How about thin bladed swords from Luzon?? or are they named differently like Matulis na bolo?

23rd April 2005, 03:28 PM	#8
tom hyle Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Houston, TX, USA Posts: 1,254	Bonifacio is an historical figure. One imagines that perhaps the association of a certain sword type with him may be both as vague and/or as well-founded as the Jim Bowie/Mexican bolo connection (which seems to me to run in the other direction than typically claimed in US, if it exists at all); in US, for whatever that's worth, it more seems to refer to the style of hilt; octagonal horn, usually a very stylized swell-centered hoof shape; with a long brass bolster (sometimes a ferule) and a certain characteristic often/usually cast-on brass European style guard as seen on "Africa, Naga, SE Asia?" in iron and likely European/Eurocolonial. There's great variety in the blades; I've heard that the "true" Bonifacio ones are either the bowie-like short-clip ones, or (variously) the matulis-like ones with long points. Squared/cut-point blades are also seen, and (I think newly) a wild profusion of other shapes. It seems to me to be the cultural successor to the older style matulis.

23rd April 2005, 04:27 PM	#9
Spunjer Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Witness Protection Program Posts: 1,730	that's just it; i've never heard of "bonifacio" type sword until recently. whenever i see a pictures or sculptures(notably the bonifacio monument in Monumento, Caloocan city), of andres (bonifacio) weilding a sword, it's always what is comonly known as itak, nothing more. I wonder if this certain type (the "bonifacio") is derived from these pictures, or did andres has a specific type of itak? hmmmm....