A German halberd for coments

Atlantia · 22nd January 2009, 03:45 PM

Wow Fernando!

Another amazing piece! How do you do it?
I think perhaps YOU are 'Fernando Jones' and have discovered a long lost Armoury somewhere?

LOL, if you have I wouldn't mind helping explore it!
Well, as long as any traps defending it don't look like the picture Matchlock posted!!

Matchlock · 22nd January 2009, 05:42 PM

Hi Anandalal,

I completely agree with your thoughts. All oriental matchlocks (Turkish, Arabian, Indian, Sri Lankan, Cingalese and Chinese - hope I did not forget any important country) have in common that they feature no wing nut on the serpentine.

When the head of the serpentine was of small tubular shape or the two halves of the serpentine (actually the serpentine is not "split" as it would not have a spring loaded function then) were thick enough to act as a tightening spring, German matchlocks did not need a wing nut either.

In Europe, transverse reinforced stopping bars seem to have originated from 8th to 9th centuries lugged spears.

Transverse bars are mostly found on 15th-19th century boar spears where, interesting enough, they often consist of a piece of staghorn and are leather bound to the haft right below the iron socket of the blade to stop dead an onrunnig animal.

When it comes to partizans/spontoons, transverse bars are often kept as the stylized remains of a former functional element.

Michael

Matchlock · 22nd January 2009, 05:55 PM

Two more boar spears.

fernando · 22nd January 2009, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Atlantia

Wow Fernando! Another amazing piece! How do you do it?

What an adventure, Gene; i had to invest a significant part of my (yet to come) pension fund

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Originally Posted by Atlantia

... I think perhaps YOU are 'Fernando Jones' and have discovered a long lost Armoury somewhere? ...

Tell me something new; Jones is my middle name

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Originally Posted by Atlantia

... Well, as long as any traps defending it don't look like the picture Matchlock posted!!

katana · 22nd January 2009, 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by fernando

Tell me something new; Jones is my middle name

Fernando, does that make us family......

Regards Katana Jones

PS....if we are .....would you mind giving a 'relative' some of your weapons ....I really like the hand held cannon

....worth a try I suppose

fernando · 23rd January 2009, 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by katana

Fernando, does that make us family......

Regards Katana Jones

PS....if we are .....would you mind giving a 'relative' some of your weapons ....I really like the hand held cannon

....worth a try I suppose

Not a bad piece of humour ... for a Brit, i mean

katana · 23rd January 2009, 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by fernando

Not a bad piece of humour ... for a Brit, i mean

I had heard that the Portugese 'side of the family' had a great sense of humour

....and were very generous ...especially to their Brit cousins ....now, about that cannon...

Atlantia · 23rd January 2009, 01:24 AM

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Originally Posted by katana

I had heard that the Portugese 'side of the family' had a great sense of humour

....and were very generous ...especially to their Brit cousins ....now, about that cannon...

You're too kind mate! Only us brits really have a sense of humour! We invented it in 1742 and exported it to the rest of the world.

Its used in Portugal under licence!

Anandalal N. · 23rd January 2009, 06:27 PM

Hi Michael,

Thank you for the detailed response and the images. Staghorn huh? Reminds me, the early ropes used for noosing wild animals was made of animal hide and invariably had a hook made of sambhur horn at one end.

fernando · 23rd January 2009, 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by katana

I had heard that the Portugese 'side of the family' had a great sense of humour

....and were very generous ...especially to their Brit cousins ....now, about that cannon...

Ah, Ah ... i reckon that the Brit side sense is rather a more acute one

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Originally Posted by Atlantia

You're too kind mate! Only us brits really have a sense of humour! We invented it in 1742 and exported it to the rest of the world.
Its used in Portugal under licence!

Well, it's not in vain that we're old chums

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Portuguese_Alliance

Fernando

Atlantia · 24th January 2009, 01:42 AM

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Originally Posted by fernando

Ah, Ah ... i reckon that the Brit side sense is rather a more acute one

Well, it's not in vain that we're old chums

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Portuguese_Alliance

Fernando

In school we were taught that our oldest friend and longest ally was Portugal!

LOL, The British sense of humor can be quite 'innapropriate' at times!

22nd January 2009, 05:42 PM	#2
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	Lugs and transverse stopping bars on pole arms Hi Anandalal, I completely agree with your thoughts. All oriental matchlocks (Turkish, Arabian, Indian, Sri Lankan, Cingalese and Chinese - hope I did not forget any important country) have in common that they feature no wing nut on the serpentine. When the head of the serpentine was of small tubular shape or the two halves of the serpentine (actually the serpentine is not "split" as it would not have a spring loaded function then) were thick enough to act as a tightening spring, German matchlocks did not need a wing nut either. In Europe, transverse reinforced stopping bars seem to have originated from 8th to 9th centuries lugged spears. Transverse bars are mostly found on 15th-19th century boar spears where, interesting enough, they often consist of a piece of staghorn and are leather bound to the haft right below the iron socket of the blade to stop dead an onrunnig animal. When it comes to partizans/spontoons, transverse bars are often kept as the stylized remains of a former functional element. Michael Attached Images

22nd January 2009, 05:55 PM	#3
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	Two more boar spears. Attached Images

22nd January 2009, 03:45 PM	#1
Atlantia Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: The Sharp end Posts: 2,928	Wow Fernando! Another amazing piece! How do you do it? I think perhaps YOU are 'Fernando Jones' and have discovered a long lost Armoury somewhere? LOL, if you have I wouldn't mind helping explore it! Well, as long as any traps defending it don't look like the picture Matchlock posted!!

23rd January 2009, 06:27 PM	#9
Anandalal N. Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 84	Hi Michael, Thank you for the detailed response and the images. Staghorn huh? Reminds me, the early ropes used for noosing wild animals was made of animal hide and invariably had a hook made of sambhur horn at one end.