what kind of sword?

ilias · 17th January 2009, 09:31 AM

Dear Ariel
Thanks for your reply.As about the attempt tha you have made to see if it has a damascus pattern may I suggest the only way that I have seen results at danascus blades?It is a combination of soda lemon and vinegar.
I wash the blade with a detergent to take all the grease that is on the blade.Then I wash it very good.After that I scrub the blade with a cutted at the middle lemon with soda powder on it.This will clean the blade perfectly.I wash it out and I dry the blade.Then I put it on hot vinegar with water.3 parts water 1vinegar.After a few moments any damascus pattern will come out perfectly.If the blade is etched for the first time and the pattern is not very clear I repeat the procces.To remove the yellow shadow fromvinegar I use a metal polish very soft.
I believe that you will see results.I have made it at a Pala sword that I have and the results were astonishing and also to an Indian tulvar.
Thanks again
Ilias

trenchwarfare · 17th January 2009, 04:19 PM

I don't know, cuz it's not my area but... The Chinese, and Indians ARE mass producing everything with a cutting edge. Lots of hand work, and topped-off with a realistic looking patina. Again, I'm not saying this piece is a fake. I don't know. I have just grown very leary in my old age. M.P.

ariel · 17th January 2009, 05:59 PM

We can ask Ilias for his impression, but mine is not modern :-)

ilias · 17th January 2009, 06:22 PM

Since I don't have the sword in my hands I can't tell if it is mass product or not.My opinion is that mabye it is an old indian blade.If I was sure I would buy it.

josh stout · 18th January 2009, 03:35 AM

It is not a type of sword I know anything about, but it looks to me like I may see an inserted edge in the picture of the tip. For me, that would make it worth a gamble.
Josh

spiral · 4th February 2009, 11:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ilias

It is a combination of soda lemon and vinegar.
I wash the blade with a detergent to take all the grease that is on the blade.Then I wash it very good.After that I scrub the blade with a cutted at the middle lemon with soda powder on it.

Ilias

When you say soda on the lemon what sort of soda do you mean?

Sodium carbonate {washing soda or soda ash }
Sodium bicarbonate {baking soda }
Sodium hydroxide {caustic soda ]

Cheers,
spiral

ingvar · 4th February 2009, 11:35 PM

imho, the hilt "wants" to look like XV.ct turkish saber. but they didnt make pins that bulgy back then. It also reminds of a hungaro-polish type I, with much smaller quillions.

Overall, looks like 18-19ct.

ilias · 5th February 2009, 08:38 AM

Hello spiral
The soda I use it refers Sodium bicarbonate.The thing that I want to advice you is that the vinegar must be very hot.Dont leave the sword a long time in it because you will see the surface become dull.You must watch it always and when the lines become black pull it out and clean it with soda.If the result doesn't satisfy you then use again only lemon and wash it again without touch the blade and put it in the vinegar.
Try it and I wish you the best results

spiral · 5th February 2009, 09:41 AM

Thanks Illias! Ive etched with vinigar before but only used the soda to neutralise, So I wondered if you were using a different type of soda there. Thanks for the info.

spiral

17th January 2009, 09:31 AM	#1
ilias Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: GREECE Posts: 73	Dear Ariel Thanks for your reply.As about the attempt tha you have made to see if it has a damascus pattern may I suggest the only way that I have seen results at danascus blades?It is a combination of soda lemon and vinegar. I wash the blade with a detergent to take all the grease that is on the blade.Then I wash it very good.After that I scrub the blade with a cutted at the middle lemon with soda powder on it.This will clean the blade perfectly.I wash it out and I dry the blade.Then I put it on hot vinegar with water.3 parts water 1vinegar.After a few moments any damascus pattern will come out perfectly.If the blade is etched for the first time and the pattern is not very clear I repeat the procces.To remove the yellow shadow fromvinegar I use a metal polish very soft. I believe that you will see results.I have made it at a Pala sword that I have and the results were astonishing and also to an Indian tulvar. Thanks again Ilias

17th January 2009, 04:19 PM	#2
trenchwarfare Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 385	I don't know, cuz it's not my area but... The Chinese, and Indians ARE mass producing everything with a cutting edge. Lots of hand work, and topped-off with a realistic looking patina. Again, I'm not saying this piece is a fake. I don't know. I have just grown very leary in my old age. M.P.

17th January 2009, 05:59 PM	#3
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	We can ask Ilias for his impression, but mine is not modern :-)

17th January 2009, 06:22 PM	#4
ilias Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: GREECE Posts: 73	Since I don't have the sword in my hands I can't tell if it is mass product or not.My opinion is that mabye it is an old indian blade.If I was sure I would buy it.

18th January 2009, 03:35 AM	#5
josh stout Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 407	It is not a type of sword I know anything about, but it looks to me like I may see an inserted edge in the picture of the tip. For me, that would make it worth a gamble. Josh

4th February 2009, 11:35 PM	#7
ingvar Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 11	imho, the hilt "wants" to look like XV.ct turkish saber. but they didnt make pins that bulgy back then. It also reminds of a hungaro-polish type I, with much smaller quillions. Overall, looks like 18-19ct.

5th February 2009, 08:38 AM	#8
ilias Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: GREECE Posts: 73	Hello spiral The soda I use it refers Sodium bicarbonate.The thing that I want to advice you is that the vinegar must be very hot.Dont leave the sword a long time in it because you will see the surface become dull.You must watch it always and when the lines become black pull it out and clean it with soda.If the result doesn't satisfy you then use again only lemon and wash it again without touch the blade and put it in the vinegar. Try it and I wish you the best results

5th February 2009, 09:41 AM	#9
spiral Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,712	Thanks Illias! Ive etched with vinigar before but only used the soda to neutralise, So I wondered if you were using a different type of soda there. Thanks for the info. spiral