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25th December 2008, 11:34 AM
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Fernando's Sikin
Okay with the risk of getting in the middle of a "fight" I'll give my opinion on Fernando's Sikin.
I think it did have a ferrule but not the pointed crown type or "poetjo" in Kreemers book (as on the rentjong in my photo) but a double crown of the "gloepa" or flower type according to Kreemer as the gold and suassa crown in my photo. Hence no points visible. It also explains the smalle size of the handle near the blade as Fernando already pointed out. The "decoration" of the handle never continues on the location of the crown as far as I know now. I have seen a couple of dislocated crowns and those never have a decoration underneath. My sikin with goldwork inlay clearly had a crown of the gloepa type, most likely a triple crown at that. I recently have seen a great example with the same inlay type but also the crown still there! A "brother" of my sikin so to say. Regards, Erik |
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25th December 2008, 08:08 PM
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My sikin with goldwork inlay clearly had a crown of the gloepa type, most likely a triple crown at that.
I recently have seen a great example with the same inlay type but also the crown still there! A "brother" of my sikin so to say. Regards, Erik[/QUOTE] You do mean this one Erik It is reserverd for Richard Ben |
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26th December 2008, 09:35 AM
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Thanks for sharing these photo's Ben
Indeed Ben,
That is the one I meant. A great example and indeed I heard Richard intended to buy it. It's nice to know what mine looked like before a Dutch soldier decided to harvest the gold.... By the way mine came with some other nice Atjeh weapons from the collection of a former KNIL general who served in the Atjeh region. The heirs sold all items to a dealer I know from whom I could buy some nice pieces... Quote:
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26th December 2008, 12:38 AM
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Very nice rencong, lovely patinated hilt. How is the bottom part of the scabbard ? These are often pieces of art too. |
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26th December 2008, 09:16 AM
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It's also nice. But the discussion was on the crown variations...
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26th December 2008, 03:07 PM
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The best that I know in private hands . Ben |
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26th December 2008, 06:19 PM
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Of course there is this one in gold (scroll down for pictures):
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...t=gold+rencong *sigh* 
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28th December 2008, 08:26 PM
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I am noticing that the gold on more of these Aceh pieces are gilded silver or brass and not sheet gold. Are my observations correct?
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29th December 2008, 09:11 PM
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Gold
Battara, there is always the question what to call gold...
In the Netherlands e.g. it can only be called gold from 14k upwards. On the Aceh pieces I have seen (and have myself) the gold content is lower in my opinion. From what I have read on this forum it is about 10K which is more practical on a weapon anyway I would say. I have not seen gilded silver on an Aceh fighting knife (Sikin or Rencong) yet. Also you can see on the forum quite a few ferrule's missing from high quality pieces. My guess is still they were harvested for the gold content by Dutch soldiers... Nothing scientific here just my guesswork, Erik Any other opinions? Quote:
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