More info about Atjeh weapons?

RhysMichael · 23rd December 2008, 02:05 AM

Welcome to the forum. A nice collection you have I would love to see more photos of them

You may want to look for "Hands of Time - Crafts of the Aceh" by Barbara Leigh. and The Weapons and Fighting Arts of Indonesia, by Don F. Draeger, Blanke Wapens if you can find a copy is a good book as well. CATALOGUE DE LA COLLECTION D'ARMES ANCIENNES EUROPEENNES ET ORIENTALES by Chalres Buttin, HISTORY OF SUMATRA, CONTAINING AN ACCOUNT OF THE GOVERNMENT, LAWS, CUSTOMS, AND MANNERS OF THE NATIVE INHABITANTS, WITH A DESCRIPTION OF THE NATURAL PRODUCTIONS, AND A RELATION OF THE ANCIENT POLITICAL STATE OF THAT ISLAND." by William Marsden, F.R.S. published 1811 has a little on them. COURT ARTS OF INDONESIA The Asia Society Galleries 1990, SWORDS AND DAGGERS OF INDONESIA Vaclav Solc

Albert G. van Zonneveld who you mentioned of actually posts here when he has time to look in and is a great resource to this forum and was kind enough to mail me some documents not available in Virginia.

There are many here who have helped me a great bit with Aceh weapons. (Paul Vermeiren, Erik Farrow, Ariel Barkan and Dominique Buttin to name a few) with apologies to the many others who helped me that I have left out) I tried to compile what I learned here and here is the page I put together on that. It should not be considered complete or without errors as it is a work in progress. Willem and Michael who post here hasvesome nice Aceh pieces hopefully will post soon on these. Utami was our man on the ground in indonesia so to speak but he has not posted on here in a while

http://home.comcast.net/~jtcrosby/Aceh.html

Here are several of papers from the First International Conference of Aceh and Indian Ocean Studies that may be of interest here.

Aceh Histories in the KITLV Images Archive

Ottoman-Aceh Relations According to the Turkish Sources

Aceh as a Muslim-Malay Cultural Centre (14th-15th Century)

Aceh through Portuguese Eyes - Views of an Indian Ocean Port-State

The Historical Place of Acehnese: The Known and the Unknown

Aceh as a field for ancient history studies

A little more complete graphic on Huku that has not made it to the webpage yet

Acouple of museum links

http://ccindex.kit.nl/ Tropenmuseum, Amsterdam

http://www.rmv.nl/index.aspx?lang=en (Database National Museum of Ethnology, Leiden)

http://www.kitlv.nl/hisdoc.html (Royal Netherlands Institute of Southeast Asian and Carribean Studies)

Dajak · 23rd December 2008, 12:49 PM

I would assume take an good look at the collection off Richard an ask him
about Atjeh weapons you can learn more from him than out books.

And try to collect on quality not on quantity .

Ben

erikscollectables · 23rd December 2008, 01:31 PM

Indeed and I did, great collection and even greater guy!

But apart from the physical aspects of the weapon I also try to learn about their historical and antropological context. That knowledge comes mainly from books written in the end of 19th century.

Much was written about the Dutch-Aceh wars but also some good books about the antroplogy of Northern Sumatra (Gayo is interesting as well for me).
I consider the books by Snouck Hurgronje as good sources from several point of view but hope to find more!

I come across many collectors (not Richard though!) that just repeat what they heard from another collector that started earlier.
What I try to do is bring it a step forward by going back to some of the original sources and start developing from that point onward.

As the photo shows (I hope) my focus is on quality but of course I want to develop further and improve the collection (as far as I can pay of course).

Thanks again, Erik

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dajak

I would assume take an good look at the collection off Richard an ask him
about Atjeh weapons you can learn more from him than out books.

And try to collect on quality not on quantity .

Ben

Mytribalworld · 23rd December 2008, 03:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by erikscollectables

Indeed and I did, great collection and even greater guy!

But apart from the physical aspects of the weapon I also try to learn about their historical and antropological context. That knowledge comes mainly from books written in the end of 19th century.

Much was written about the Dutch-Aceh wars but also some good books about the antroplogy of Northern Sumatra (Gayo is interesting as well for me).
I consider the books by Snouck Hurgronje as good sources from several point of view but hope to find more!

I come across many collectors (not Richard though!) that just repeat what they heard from another collector that started earlier.
What I try to do is bring it a step forward by going back to some of the original sources and start developing from that point onward.

As the photo shows (I hope) my focus is on quality but of course I want to develop further and improve the collection (as far as I can pay of course).

Thanks again, Erik

Hi Erik,

Send a mail to ar.leen@tele2.nl and I will send a PDF with the chapter from Kreemers book about Aceh weapons. ( its in dutch)

erikscollectables · 23rd December 2008, 04:48 PM

Mail sent and many thanks in advance for the PDF!

It looks like the holidayseasons will bring some nice reading materials!

Regards, Erik

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Originally Posted by mandaukudi

Hi Erik,

Send a mail to ar.leen@tele2.nl and I will send a PDF with the chapter from Kreemers book about Aceh weapons. ( its in dutch)

VVV · 23rd December 2008, 02:21 PM

Welcome to the forum and I look forward to watch the coming nice pictures of your collection.
I would recommend Kreemer's book and Fischer's Leiden Catalogue on Aceh (Sumatra I) as well.
And if Ben recommends you to go to Richard, who I don't know myself, of course that's a must.

Michael

erikscollectables · 23rd December 2008, 01:04 PM

Michael, great stuff!
Thanks for all the links and books!
Regards, Erik

migueldiaz · 25th December 2008, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by RhysMichael

I tried to compile what I learned here and here is the page I put together on that ...

RhysMichael, thanks very much indeed for the compilation of the images and info!

I love the collage on the various hilts, as I'm presently on a quest trying to find out what specifically the sword was, in the 16th century Boxer Codex image below of a Luzon noble.

The discussion by the way where that image popped up is in this thread: Origin of the kampilan?.

Thanks again for all the info

23rd December 2008, 02:05 AM	#1
RhysMichael Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Virginia Posts: 520	Welcome to the forum. A nice collection you have I would love to see more photos of them You may want to look for "Hands of Time - Crafts of the Aceh" by Barbara Leigh. and The Weapons and Fighting Arts of Indonesia, by Don F. Draeger, Blanke Wapens if you can find a copy is a good book as well. CATALOGUE DE LA COLLECTION D'ARMES ANCIENNES EUROPEENNES ET ORIENTALES by Chalres Buttin, HISTORY OF SUMATRA, CONTAINING AN ACCOUNT OF THE GOVERNMENT, LAWS, CUSTOMS, AND MANNERS OF THE NATIVE INHABITANTS, WITH A DESCRIPTION OF THE NATURAL PRODUCTIONS, AND A RELATION OF THE ANCIENT POLITICAL STATE OF THAT ISLAND." by William Marsden, F.R.S. published 1811 has a little on them. COURT ARTS OF INDONESIA The Asia Society Galleries 1990, SWORDS AND DAGGERS OF INDONESIA Vaclav Solc Albert G. van Zonneveld who you mentioned of actually posts here when he has time to look in and is a great resource to this forum and was kind enough to mail me some documents not available in Virginia. There are many here who have helped me a great bit with Aceh weapons. (Paul Vermeiren, Erik Farrow, Ariel Barkan and Dominique Buttin to name a few) with apologies to the many others who helped me that I have left out) I tried to compile what I learned here and here is the page I put together on that. It should not be considered complete or without errors as it is a work in progress. Willem and Michael who post here hasvesome nice Aceh pieces hopefully will post soon on these. Utami was our man on the ground in indonesia so to speak but he has not posted on here in a while http://home.comcast.net/~jtcrosby/Aceh.html Here are several of papers from the First International Conference of Aceh and Indian Ocean Studies that may be of interest here. Aceh Histories in the KITLV Images Archive Ottoman-Aceh Relations According to the Turkish Sources Aceh as a Muslim-Malay Cultural Centre (14th-15th Century) Aceh through Portuguese Eyes - Views of an Indian Ocean Port-State The Historical Place of Acehnese: The Known and the Unknown Aceh as a field for ancient history studies A little more complete graphic on Huku that has not made it to the webpage yet Acouple of museum links http://ccindex.kit.nl/ Tropenmuseum, Amsterdam http://www.rmv.nl/index.aspx?lang=en (Database National Museum of Ethnology, Leiden) http://www.kitlv.nl/hisdoc.html (Royal Netherlands Institute of Southeast Asian and Carribean Studies) Last edited by RhysMichael; 23rd December 2008 at 02:52 AM.

23rd December 2008, 01:04 PM	#7
erikscollectables Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 318	Thanks! Michael, great stuff! Thanks for all the links and books! Regards, Erik

23rd December 2008, 12:49 PM	#2
Dajak Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 951	I would assume take an good look at the collection off Richard an ask him about Atjeh weapons you can learn more from him than out books. And try to collect on quality not on quantity . Ben

23rd December 2008, 02:21 PM	#6
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	Welcome to the forum and I look forward to watch the coming nice pictures of your collection. I would recommend Kreemer's book and Fischer's Leiden Catalogue on Aceh (Sumatra I) as well. And if Ben recommends you to go to Richard, who I don't know myself, of course that's a must. Michael