If one would be made for you how would it be?

tunggulametung · 14th December 2008, 05:07 PM

A broad Cirebon keris, 40 cm long, 13 flowing luks, featured with all well defined kembang kacang, jenggot, jalen, two lambe gajah, jalu memet, bungkul, pejetan, pair of sogokan, tikel alis, sraweyan, ada-ada, tungkakan, greneng robyong, "God-given" wos wutah pamor, solid blade, ivory raksasa hilt with swasa selut and mendak, dressed in swasa long gone Cirebon sendang walikat sheath.

P.S. swasa is upgradable to gold or downgradable to silver dipending on the world economic conditions

lemmythesmith · 15th December 2008, 09:44 PM

Hi all, I'm currently making my dream keris

Balinese 19.75" long, dapur Pasopati, wos wutah/ngulit semangka pamor, 12 meteorites, 30 irons (Roman to 1900) 4" wide at the gongo (third attempt gongo!

) 5/8" thick.

Kiai-many thanks for the vote of confidence, but I wouldn't call myself an mpu (or a master), just a crazy Englishman who likes making keris.

Sneak preview below.... It no longer has this gongo, made a right mess of it!!

Jussi M. · 16th December 2008, 06:43 PM

Lemmy,

I think you need to start taking orders soon!

J

Michel · 16th December 2008, 09:49 PM

I am lucky ! my dream keris exist :
A kris Nagakresna,XIX century, Surakarta.
Page 161 of court art of Indonesia
A beauty !

Michel

Marcokeris · 18th December 2008, 06:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Michel

I am lucky ! my dream keris exist :
A kris Nagakresna,XIX century, Surakarta.
Page 161 of court art of Indonesia
A beauty !

Michel

I totally agree with you.

This is the best keris, sarong, hit i never seen

For my taste an absolute masterpiece .

David · 18th December 2008, 08:37 PM

Well Michel and Marco (and others presenting already existing keris), as has been pointed out, the question is what keris would you create from scratch. This can never be your dream keris because , barring a miracle, it can never be yours. I would like to believe that someday ALL our dreams might come true.

So if you had a copy of it made is there not one thing you would change to somehow fit your own persona?

Michel · 18th December 2008, 10:17 PM

Well David and Alan,
I understand your point of view, but do not share it.
You remind us :the question is what keris would you create from scratch. This can never be your dream keris because , barring a miracle, it can never be yours. I would like to believe that someday ALL our dreams might come true. So if you had a copy of it made is there not one thing you would change to somehow fit your own persona?
In dreams "miracle occures"!
Should I think of modifying the beautiful kris I have shown ? I think that before I could make a valid description of what should be done to this kris, I would have to study all the elements of the keris (blade, grip, sheath, etc) and be fully embedded in the kris culture and this would take the better part of 25 years of study. Some of you guys are, may be, at that level of knowledge and understanding of the kris culture ( Alan ?) but I am very far from it.
But there I have a piece I can look at, its virtual in a sense, but it does not require that I draw it, forge it, file it, etc. I can just look at it and admire the workmanship of the artist(s) who made it. I do not think one can cumulate the most beautifull parts of several krisses to make one perfect assembled kriss. It would not be balanced.
So please let me dream of my beautiful keris !
Michel

Kiai Carita · 17th December 2008, 05:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lemmythesmith

...
Kiai-many thanks for the vote of confidence, but I wouldn't call myself an mpu (or a master), just a crazy Englishman who likes making keris.

....

Lemmy, no real Mpu would call himself or herself an Mpu. So by saying that you would not call yourself an Mpu, it shows that you might be one!

I really like what I have seen of your work, and as this a fantasy thread, I would like to offer you a fantasy dowry for your work as well.

Seeing that the pound is falling daily at the moment, would you prefer to be paid in dinars?

A. G. Maisey · 17th December 2008, 07:14 AM

Yeah---well---we can all dream, can't we?

Kiai, have ever noticed that khanghuru is exactly the right pawakan for a keris?

Assymetric it is, and more or less triangular into the bargain. You could make an entire blade that more or less resembled a khanghuru.

Michel that dream keris of yours might already exist, but Jussi's question was related to getting a new keris made, so if that Surakarta keris is your idea of something good, you would need to find somebody to copy. Sorry---you cannot have the one that already exists.

Jussi M. · 17th December 2008, 12:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

Jussi's question was related to getting a new keris made

That it precisely what I meant. - No existing kerises are allowed. On a perfect world I´d like to acquire something like a fusion of sorts between these pictured on Mr. Maiseys website.

I have no idea what such beast would be like but these kerises, especially the two on the middle, rock my boat hard so to speak

Thanks,

J

Rick · 17th December 2008, 01:34 PM

Ahh, Mas Budi's Kebo !!

One of my favorites .

lemmythesmith · 17th December 2008, 10:18 PM

Quote:

Seeing that the pound is falling daily at the moment, would you prefer to be paid in dinars?

Kiai, I'll be happy to accept your fantasy dowry in pounds-of gold

Kiai Carita · 22nd December 2008, 03:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jussi M.

The contrast and the brightness of the pamor in these kerises is better than any keris or photograph of a kerises that I have ever seen. Are they really this bright in real life? What causes the absolute contrast is it the material of the pamor or is it superior marangi process?

Pak Alan, I think the time has come to make a dhapur kanghuru. What would be an appropriate new pamor?

Lemmy, pounds of gold are coming your way

Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to everyone,

Bram

A. G. Maisey · 22nd December 2008, 11:20 AM

Bram, I took all these pics, and all but one of those keris are still in my possession.

Yes, the pamor is pretty close to what you see in the photos. Much of the result of what you see is in the technique I use to take the photos; I use natural south light, I am particular with the quality of the light and if a pic is important I wait until that quality is right. I use a tripod and remote release, very slow shutter and a small aperture. Sometimes I forget the small aperture and use the mid range aperture that the lens performs best at. Everything I use is simple stuff that anybody can do.

The blades have been correctly stained. Pak Parman did his own, Pak Pauzan's and Mas Budi's were done by a commercial stainer in Solo, I did the blade that I made. The stain job that I did took me several attempts and several days before I was happy with it.The material in all the blades is iron and pure nickel.

So what you see is a due to a combination of care and correctness.

As for the appropriate pamor for a dhuwung Australie, it could be no other than pamor ron kulahbah (once a jolly swagman sat by a billabong,under the shade of a kulahbah tree)

And a very Selamat Natal to you too Bram.

15th December 2008, 09:44 PM	#2
lemmythesmith Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 93	Hi all, I'm currently making my dream keris Balinese 19.75" long, dapur Pasopati, wos wutah/ngulit semangka pamor, 12 meteorites, 30 irons (Roman to 1900) 4" wide at the gongo (third attempt gongo! ) 5/8" thick. Kiai-many thanks for the vote of confidence, but I wouldn't call myself an mpu (or a master), just a crazy Englishman who likes making keris. Sneak preview below.... It no longer has this gongo, made a right mess of it!! Attached Images

16th December 2008, 09:49 PM	#4
Michel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Switzerland Posts: 139	Dream Kris I am lucky ! my dream keris exist : A kris Nagakresna,XIX century, Surakarta. Page 161 of court art of Indonesia A beauty ! Michel Attached Images

18th December 2008, 10:17 PM	#7
Michel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Switzerland Posts: 139	Dream Kris Well David and Alan, I understand your point of view, but do not share it. You remind us :the question is what keris would you create from scratch. This can never be your dream keris because , barring a miracle, it can never be yours. I would like to believe that someday ALL our dreams might come true. So if you had a copy of it made is there not one thing you would change to somehow fit your own persona? In dreams "miracle occures"! Should I think of modifying the beautiful kris I have shown ? I think that before I could make a valid description of what should be done to this kris, I would have to study all the elements of the keris (blade, grip, sheath, etc) and be fully embedded in the kris culture and this would take the better part of 25 years of study. Some of you guys are, may be, at that level of knowledge and understanding of the kris culture ( Alan ?) but I am very far from it. But there I have a piece I can look at, its virtual in a sense, but it does not require that I draw it, forge it, file it, etc. I can just look at it and admire the workmanship of the artist(s) who made it. I do not think one can cumulate the most beautifull parts of several krisses to make one perfect assembled kriss. It would not be balanced. So please let me dream of my beautiful keris ! Michel

17th December 2008, 01:34 PM	#11
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,336	Lower Right Ahh, Mas Budi's Kebo !! One of my favorites .

22nd December 2008, 11:20 AM	#14
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,992	Bram, I took all these pics, and all but one of those keris are still in my possession. Yes, the pamor is pretty close to what you see in the photos. Much of the result of what you see is in the technique I use to take the photos; I use natural south light, I am particular with the quality of the light and if a pic is important I wait until that quality is right. I use a tripod and remote release, very slow shutter and a small aperture. Sometimes I forget the small aperture and use the mid range aperture that the lens performs best at. Everything I use is simple stuff that anybody can do. The blades have been correctly stained. Pak Parman did his own, Pak Pauzan's and Mas Budi's were done by a commercial stainer in Solo, I did the blade that I made. The stain job that I did took me several attempts and several days before I was happy with it.The material in all the blades is iron and pure nickel. So what you see is a due to a combination of care and correctness. As for the appropriate pamor for a dhuwung Australie, it could be no other than pamor ron kulahbah (once a jolly swagman sat by a billabong,under the shade of a kulahbah tree) And a very Selamat Natal to you too Bram. Last edited by A. G. Maisey; 22nd December 2008 at 12:28 PM.

14th December 2008, 05:07 PM	#1
tunggulametung Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 238	A broad Cirebon keris, 40 cm long, 13 flowing luks, featured with all well defined kembang kacang, jenggot, jalen, two lambe gajah, jalu memet, bungkul, pejetan, pair of sogokan, tikel alis, sraweyan, ada-ada, tungkakan, greneng robyong, "God-given" wos wutah pamor, solid blade, ivory raksasa hilt with swasa selut and mendak, dressed in swasa long gone Cirebon sendang walikat sheath. P.S. swasa is upgradable to gold or downgradable to silver dipending on the world economic conditions

16th December 2008, 06:43 PM	#3
Jussi M. Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 235	Lemmy, I think you need to start taking orders soon! J

18th December 2008, 08:37 PM	#6
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,211	Well Michel and Marco (and others presenting already existing keris), as has been pointed out, the question is what keris would you create from scratch. This can never be your dream keris because , barring a miracle, it can never be yours. I would like to believe that someday ALL our dreams might come true. So if you had a copy of it made is there not one thing you would change to somehow fit your own persona?

17th December 2008, 07:14 AM	#9
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,992	Yeah---well---we can all dream, can't we? Kiai, have ever noticed that khanghuru is exactly the right pawakan for a keris? Assymetric it is, and more or less triangular into the bargain. You could make an entire blade that more or less resembled a khanghuru. Michel that dream keris of yours might already exist, but Jussi's question was related to getting a new keris made, so if that Surakarta keris is your idea of something good, you would need to find somebody to copy. Sorry---you cannot have the one that already exists.