A Venetian Barbute of ca. 1470

[rand]

Have been researching the possibility of cloth covered turban helms from about the same time period as your helm, there are extremely few examples left in Islamic cloth covered helms, have only found a few examples so far and unfortunately the online photo's are copyrighted so cannot share.

Am not sure if the cloth covered ones were made in smaller numbers or not, but it does seem that there are fewer surviving examples that have the holes that allign as yours does to allow for it. In that sense it seems a rarer form. Just really like the subtle lines your helmet has, rings quality all the way through.....

The use of cloth(velvet?) definately makes for the possibilty of a more decorative helm.

rand

[Ed]

A couple of thoughts on the topic. Helmets like this had inner padding to cushion blows. Now, I think that to affix such a lining there are only so many reasonable ways to go about it. I think that the decorations in the felt covered helm are fancy rivet heads that take the terminal of the thing that attaches the lining and makes it decorative.

Here are some outline drawings of helmets of this class, more or less, and the arrangement of holes on them.

This is from Grancsay's article on Barbutes in the Bulletin of the Met.

[Jim McDougall]

Fantastic piece Ed!! and interesting material.
In looking at this, it is compelling to consider the provenance, which is likely to have been the subject, or at least included in the research for the article written by G.A.Douglass ( "The Barbute") in the classic 'Miscellany of Arms and Armor' written by the members of the Arms & Armor Club for Bashford Dean in 1927.
This work was limited to only 150 copies and was presented to Dean on his birthday in 1928, the same year he passed away. It is exciting to imagine these early names in collecting, meeting and discussing the venerable pieces, many of which reside permanantly in the Metropolitan Museum in New York.

In looking at these types of headgear never really thought of them being covered in fabric and decorated, but then of course the rest of the armour was , so that should have been considered.

I had seen copies of that 1927 work, but wonder if this item might have been mentioned in it.

All best regards,
Jim

[Ed]

George the Elder (his son, from whom I bought a lot of stuff was not really an armor guy, what he owned belonged to his Dad) owned 3 barbutes, one was in the "Corinthian" style and was the subject of the article I cited above. The cover of the Bulletin shows it with an ancient Corinthian helmet:

The famous "Lion Helmet", now at the Met, has a barbute under the decoration.


I have that book (actually inscribed by Dean) and have pored over it and every scrap of writing that has been published by Dean and von Kienbush who were the primary influences of Geo. Douglass Sr.'s collecting patterns. Geo. senior was not a scholar nor was he a collector of the first order so the mark that he has left is slight. In fact, it will be thru my cataloging of my collection and the provenence of the pieces that belonged to him that any record will exist of the fact of his collection once I snuff it.the barest hint of a reference to any piece of his. And given the quality of some of them, I am a bit surprised.

Originally Posted by Jim McDougall

Fantastic piece Ed!! and interesting material.
In looking at this, it is compelling to consider the provenance, which is likely to have been the subject, or at least included in the research for the article written by G.A.Douglass ( "The Barbute") in the classic 'Miscellany of Arms and Armor' written by the members of the Arms & Armor Club for Bashford Dean in 1927.
This work was limited to only 150 copies and was presented to Dean on his birthday in 1928, the same year he passed away. It is exciting to imagine these early names in collecting, meeting and discussing the venerable pieces, many of which reside permanantly in the Metropolitan Museum in New York.

In looking at these types of headgear never really thought of them being covered in fabric and decorated, but then of course the rest of the armour was , so that should have been considered.

I had seen copies of that 1927 work, but wonder if this item might have been mentioned in it.

All best regards,
Jim

[Matchlock]

Congratulations, Ed!

Perfect piece and perfect documentation, too.

Bet,
Michael