Atjeh Rentjong with Gold

asomotif · 1st December 2008, 07:04 AM

Ben,

I was just wondering why this specific rentjong was for sale exactely a year ago on the fair in Utrecht, without scabbard and without a provenance.

With the missing piece of gold it was and still is very recognisable.

As for the Sikim (will be sold as 1 set with the rentjong), which you claimed to have swapped with me on the forum http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ighlight=sikim

On e-mail you than came back on your words and wanted something additional to swap for the sikim.
Having nothing at hand you said to keep the sikim separate for me to be swapped in due time.
And when I suggested a swap last month, the sikim was already gone

.
(the sikim from the set, not be sold separate

)

Anyway, Ben. Nothing to do with money or what a person can or can not buy.
Nothing to do with your impulsivity to buy and sell any item.
More about reliability / honesty, such things, of greater value than money.

Dajak · 1st December 2008, 10:08 AM

At first this not the same as the one in Utrecht .

Second I wait long enough with the sikim and make you many offers didn t hear anything from you . (you did not have stuff for the 2 at that moment you telling but we now that that was not true)

Third about honest you sold an sword to Stefan that I was first sending email
long before Stefan and you sold it .
Telling I was to late .

So I suggest Willem go see some one soon because it getting worse with you.

Ben

asomotif · 1st December 2008, 12:04 PM

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make you many offers

Ben you did not contact me a single time to make any offer for the sikim.
An that is besides the fact that you backed out on our initial swap deal.

You make up stories same as you made/make up provenances.
You prey on the greed that is often inherent to collecting.
It's sad.

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go see some one soon

I am alrady seeing someone for a few months now. and it helps

Do you want the address ?

Dajak · 1st December 2008, 03:23 PM

I don t need it Willem like you but take better an another one because it did not help much.

Just get a life that is what I can tell you .

And I am not the only one that think this way about you

All provonance that I give is proven by pics and documents .

Or did I fake the Nieuwenhuis Mandau the oldman jimpul the great Atjeh peduang and many other things .

It is sad Willem for you that you so frustrated

Have a nice life.

Ben

asomotif · 1st December 2008, 04:26 PM

This rentjong was definately on a fair in utrecht last year without scabbard and without provenance. I was there for 2 days and seriously considered buying it. the horn hilt and the missing gold piece are 100% recognisable.

So you could have just replied that you did some investigation and found a provenance.

Strange that instead of that you get both defensive/offensive and personal

Maybe better to remain factual. 'can't beat the facts' as you say yourself

Andrew · 1st December 2008, 05:08 PM

Take it to email or PM, gentlemen.

You might also look into placing each other on your "ignore" lists.

1st December 2008, 07:04 AM	#1
asomotif Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,235	Ben, I was just wondering why this specific rentjong was for sale exactely a year ago on the fair in Utrecht, without scabbard and without a provenance. With the missing piece of gold it was and still is very recognisable. As for the Sikim (will be sold as 1 set with the rentjong), which you claimed to have swapped with me on the forum http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ighlight=sikim On e-mail you than came back on your words and wanted something additional to swap for the sikim. Having nothing at hand you said to keep the sikim separate for me to be swapped in due time. And when I suggested a swap last month, the sikim was already gone . (the sikim from the set, not be sold separate ) Anyway, Ben. Nothing to do with money or what a person can or can not buy. Nothing to do with your impulsivity to buy and sell any item. More about reliability / honesty, such things, of greater value than money.

1st December 2008, 10:08 AM	#2
Dajak Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 951	At first this not the same as the one in Utrecht . Second I wait long enough with the sikim and make you many offers didn t hear anything from you . (you did not have stuff for the 2 at that moment you telling but we now that that was not true) Third about honest you sold an sword to Stefan that I was first sending email long before Stefan and you sold it . Telling I was to late . So I suggest Willem go see some one soon because it getting worse with you. Ben

1st December 2008, 03:23 PM	#4
Dajak Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 951	I don t need it Willem like you but take better an another one because it did not help much. Just get a life that is what I can tell you . And I am not the only one that think this way about you All provonance that I give is proven by pics and documents . Or did I fake the Nieuwenhuis Mandau the oldman jimpul the great Atjeh peduang and many other things . It is sad Willem for you that you so frustrated Have a nice life. Ben

1st December 2008, 04:26 PM	#5
asomotif Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,235	This rentjong was definately on a fair in utrecht last year without scabbard and without provenance. I was there for 2 days and seriously considered buying it. the horn hilt and the missing gold piece are 100% recognisable. So you could have just replied that you did some investigation and found a provenance. Strange that instead of that you get both defensive/offensive and personal Maybe better to remain factual. 'can't beat the facts' as you say yourself

1st December 2008, 05:08 PM	#6
Andrew Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: USA Posts: 1,725	Take it to email or PM, gentlemen. You might also look into placing each other on your "ignore" lists.