Istanbul Visit

eftihis · 11th December 2004, 04:37 PM

Just to say that only now, after Yiannis mail, i understood what Erlikhan meant in his mail...
My friend, i had no intention to mispell it, it was just because we do not use this name when we speak or write.
Ofcourse we use in Greek the word Konstantinopoli, but i think this is understandable, as i domt expect you to say Crete instead of Girit in your language.
By the way, i also want to say that the Byzantine theocratic regime didnt express me and i do not feel that represented Greeks.

Radu Transylvanicus · 13th December 2004, 09:17 AM

I must admit I am impacient ... Eftihis, many thanks again, I cant wait for you to post or send that (or those) picture(s) ...

The photo below is a gift for you , I hope your French is OK ... if not I am sure doesnt take much to figure whats up ...

eftihis · 13th December 2004, 09:53 AM

Here we are!
As soon as i find time i will send photos from Askeri Museum and from Top Kapi
Regards to all!

Radu Transylvanicus · 13th December 2004, 10:05 AM

Thank you so much Eftihis , I owe you big time ... On the other side, I am a little disapointed by theTopkapi curators who are generally more efficient on doing a better job on description labels (at least this is not the disastruos Bangkok museum we saw the other week).
On Stefan`s sword, the label shoud at least say : Sword of Stefan the Great, ruler of Moldavia 15th century (Romania) big difference between being Roman and being Romanian, nevermind common the heritage ...

and this anarchic display next to Japanese swords and armor and the grotesque gigantic swords in the background mixed with the kilij stand is just not OK to my eye ... Bucharest is not next to Okinawa on the map and the yoroi is no match for the statuary bastard swords of Herculean size and the Indo-Persian shield unless this was meant to show the exact oposition and absolute differences in styles and dimesions of arms and armour... I dare to say that any member of the Forum would've had more common sense in composing a more apropriate panoply or is it just overly picky me that feels this is unforgiveably chaotic and not OK for one of the world class most finest museums... ?

Still, Eftihis you made my day by taking this images, I was longing for images of this sword for quite a while now ... There certainly are some amazing moments and breaktroughs in this Forum at times and I hope I put a smile on your face when I posted the image of the Cretans with their bitchaqs ...
P.S. I would love to see more pics from Askeri and Topkapi museums, I hope its on your soon ,, to do list,, ...
All the best , yours truely,
Radu .

Yannis · 13th December 2004, 11:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Radu Transylvanicus

and this anarchic display next to Japanese swords and armor and the grotesque gigantic swords in the background mixed with the kilij stand is just not OK to my eye

Well you are quite polite, my friend. This is outrageous!

A sword of this importance deserves something better than this little corner of this variety display.

The reason that it is not turkish, ottoman or islamic is not enough for such a treatment.

Romanian people may protest via e-mail

Rivkin · 13th December 2004, 05:28 PM

Well, my experience is that 90% of expositions in world museums become very chaotic and unrepresentative when it comes to arms and armor. My local Chicago Art Institute would be a good example.

Cheapy Shinto Wakizashi, Wakizashi being displayed _in_ its scabbard, poor lighting that does not allow one to see steel patterns, tons of halbers with not a single spear head, good wootz kiliji (or was it shamshir ? I don't remember), with no inscirption commenting on wootz, general impression of a few gifts being tossed together into the room, with no desire to make something better of it.

Well, still beats the hell out of "modern" photography they display downstairs (photographs of red squares, photographs of black squares, frames without photographs, photographs of water taken with 0.5s interval 10 times etc.), but leaves quite a troublesome impression nevertheless.

erlikhan · 14th December 2004, 10:20 PM

Eftihis, I would like to meet you for sure. Please write the phone number of your hotel. I can call you tomorrow or day after tomorrow. If you want my phone, email me.
About the Byzantian name of Istanbul, it was used by Christian minorities and Europeans in Ottoman time. The writing on those swords belong to some Armenian workshops. Not to Turks at all. The roots of the names are not so important. Here, when a Greek uses the name Konstantinapolis everybody considers it as a claim of right on the ownership of the city. And it must be correct, as everybody else have already learned the name of the city, but only in Greece it is insisted not to be used! Eftihis and Yannis,Thanks for your kind replies even correcting it. I guess you understand what irritated me; especially different versions of errors which were not related to each other, in every single time the name of the city was typed.
About the innocency of insist on continuing to use old historical names , Greeks must be the bests to understand the problem, as it is Greece's problem too, for even not one of your own cities, but a whole different country. Greece demands Macedonia to change its name

Anyway Eftihis, I wait for your number.
regards

11th December 2004, 04:37 PM	#1
eftihis Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Chania Crete Greece Posts: 511	Correct spellng Just to say that only now, after Yiannis mail, i understood what Erlikhan meant in his mail... My friend, i had no intention to mispell it, it was just because we do not use this name when we speak or write. Ofcourse we use in Greek the word Konstantinopoli, but i think this is understandable, as i domt expect you to say Crete instead of Girit in your language. By the way, i also want to say that the Byzantine theocratic regime didnt express me and i do not feel that represented Greeks.

13th December 2004, 09:17 AM	#2
Radu Transylvanicus Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: 2008-2010 Bali, 1998-2008 USA Posts: 271	I must admit I am impacient ... Eftihis, many thanks again, I cant wait for you to post or send that (or those) picture(s) ... The photo below is a gift for you , I hope your French is OK ... if not I am sure doesnt take much to figure whats up ... Attached Images Last edited by Radu Transylvanicus; 13th December 2004 at 09:34 AM.

13th December 2004, 09:53 AM	#3
eftihis Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Chania Crete Greece Posts: 511	Stefan the Great sword Here we are! As soon as i find time i will send photos from Askeri Museum and from Top Kapi Regards to all! Attached Images

13th December 2004, 10:05 AM	#4
Radu Transylvanicus Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: 2008-2010 Bali, 1998-2008 USA Posts: 271	Thank you so much Eftihis , I owe you big time ... On the other side, I am a little disapointed by theTopkapi curators who are generally more efficient on doing a better job on description labels (at least this is not the disastruos Bangkok museum we saw the other week). On Stefan`s sword, the label shoud at least say : Sword of Stefan the Great, ruler of Moldavia 15th century (Romania) big difference between being Roman and being Romanian, nevermind common the heritage ... and this anarchic display next to Japanese swords and armor and the grotesque gigantic swords in the background mixed with the kilij stand is just not OK to my eye ... Bucharest is not next to Okinawa on the map and the yoroi is no match for the statuary bastard swords of Herculean size and the Indo-Persian shield unless this was meant to show the exact oposition and absolute differences in styles and dimesions of arms and armour... I dare to say that any member of the Forum would've had more common sense in composing a more apropriate panoply or is it just overly picky me that feels this is unforgiveably chaotic and not OK for one of the world class most finest museums... ? Still, Eftihis you made my day by taking this images, I was longing for images of this sword for quite a while now ... There certainly are some amazing moments and breaktroughs in this Forum at times and I hope I put a smile on your face when I posted the image of the Cretans with their bitchaqs ... P.S. I would love to see more pics from Askeri and Topkapi museums, I hope its on your soon ,, to do list,, ... All the best , yours truely, Radu . Last edited by Radu Transylvanicus; 13th December 2004 at 10:35 AM.

13th December 2004, 05:28 PM	#6
Rivkin Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 655	Well, my experience is that 90% of expositions in world museums become very chaotic and unrepresentative when it comes to arms and armor. My local Chicago Art Institute would be a good example. Cheapy Shinto Wakizashi, Wakizashi being displayed _in_ its scabbard, poor lighting that does not allow one to see steel patterns, tons of halbers with not a single spear head, good wootz kiliji (or was it shamshir ? I don't remember), with no inscirption commenting on wootz, general impression of a few gifts being tossed together into the room, with no desire to make something better of it. Well, still beats the hell out of "modern" photography they display downstairs (photographs of red squares, photographs of black squares, frames without photographs, photographs of water taken with 0.5s interval 10 times etc.), but leaves quite a troublesome impression nevertheless.

14th December 2004, 10:20 PM	#7
erlikhan Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Istanbul Posts: 452	Eftihis, I would like to meet you for sure. Please write the phone number of your hotel. I can call you tomorrow or day after tomorrow. If you want my phone, email me. About the Byzantian name of Istanbul, it was used by Christian minorities and Europeans in Ottoman time. The writing on those swords belong to some Armenian workshops. Not to Turks at all. The roots of the names are not so important. Here, when a Greek uses the name Konstantinapolis everybody considers it as a claim of right on the ownership of the city. And it must be correct, as everybody else have already learned the name of the city, but only in Greece it is insisted not to be used! Eftihis and Yannis,Thanks for your kind replies even correcting it. I guess you understand what irritated me; especially different versions of errors which were not related to each other, in every single time the name of the city was typed. About the innocency of insist on continuing to use old historical names , Greeks must be the bests to understand the problem, as it is Greece's problem too, for even not one of your own cities, but a whole different country. Greece demands Macedonia to change its name Anyway Eftihis, I wait for your number. regards