EARLY SKETCH OF LUTAO SPEARDANCE

zamboanga · 13th April 2005, 10:41 AM

fearn,

you are right about the sangkil head (at least the ones being used for fishing) being detachable.

bill,

I think the writer of the article, given the circumstances at that time, was not able to verify or double check the information passed on to him.

but, here's a comprehensive link on the history of the Sulu Sultanate: http://www.seasite.niu.edu/Tagalog/M..._the_royal.htm

lutao, by the way is part of the local dialect which means "to float" - in reference to the sea-going ways of the tausugs, samals, badjaos, etc.

Bill · 13th April 2005, 04:20 PM

Zamboanga, thanks for the link, it also looks to have some great referances, if I ever read what I already have. No offence to the folks here with Philippine heritage, but I think Brunei has to have had great influence on what we refer to as Moro swords. Pigafetta seemed to be impressed at the amount or arms there; where usually in the PI, knives & iron were in demand. Also the first Portuguese in Sulawesi find no interest in thier swords or iron, but the locals are trying to sell them thiers.

Battara · 13th April 2005, 05:12 PM

No offense taken for me, Bill. I agree, especially in the earlier days. When it comes to the later period, I may be inclined towards Federico's position of Sulu influence. Certainly, intermingling of influences from the Sultanates of Brunei, Maguindanao, and Sulu (even possibly Ternate) are not surprising due to proximity of cultures and common investment into Islam.

Federico · 14th April 2005, 05:19 AM

Ill throw in a shocker, I agree with you Bill, Brunei in the early days (pre-Spanish to early Spanish invasion) held great sway over PI. Though, I would temper that statement while they had great influence (I believe if I remember correctly the Sultans of Sulu and the Sultan of Tondo, which soon becomes the city of Manila, were both directly and closely, eg. one relative apart vs the general inter-relation among Malay royalty,related to the Sultan of Brunei), they were not in complete direct control.

Of course this relationship changes over time.

13th April 2005, 10:41 AM	#1
zamboanga Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: zamboanga city, philippines Posts: 132	fearn, you are right about the sangkil head (at least the ones being used for fishing) being detachable. bill, I think the writer of the article, given the circumstances at that time, was not able to verify or double check the information passed on to him. but, here's a comprehensive link on the history of the Sulu Sultanate: http://www.seasite.niu.edu/Tagalog/M..._the_royal.htm lutao, by the way is part of the local dialect which means "to float" - in reference to the sea-going ways of the tausugs, samals, badjaos, etc.

13th April 2005, 04:20 PM	#2
Bill Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Chicago area Posts: 327	Zamboanga, thanks for the link, it also looks to have some great referances, if I ever read what I already have. No offence to the folks here with Philippine heritage, but I think Brunei has to have had great influence on what we refer to as Moro swords. Pigafetta seemed to be impressed at the amount or arms there; where usually in the PI, knives & iron were in demand. Also the first Portuguese in Sulawesi find no interest in thier swords or iron, but the locals are trying to sell them thiers.

13th April 2005, 05:12 PM	#3
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,272	No offense taken for me, Bill. I agree, especially in the earlier days. When it comes to the later period, I may be inclined towards Federico's position of Sulu influence. Certainly, intermingling of influences from the Sultanates of Brunei, Maguindanao, and Sulu (even possibly Ternate) are not surprising due to proximity of cultures and common investment into Islam.

14th April 2005, 05:19 AM	#4
Federico Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Minneapolis, MN, USA Posts: 312	Ill throw in a shocker, I agree with you Bill, Brunei in the early days (pre-Spanish to early Spanish invasion) held great sway over PI. Though, I would temper that statement while they had great influence (I believe if I remember correctly the Sultans of Sulu and the Sultan of Tondo, which soon becomes the city of Manila, were both directly and closely, eg. one relative apart vs the general inter-relation among Malay royalty,related to the Sultan of Brunei), they were not in complete direct control. Of course this relationship changes over time.