Long Kilich

erlikhan · 12th April 2005, 09:55 PM

Thank you very much. Yes in fact silver is usually accepted as something so special, but what would it cost if the artist used even 1 pound of pure silver? Would not add much to total cost. The level of workmanship and general condition must be much more important. But, in past, it was comparably more expensive as was used in coins and was monetarily important.So,was a prestige sign. When there were wars and economical crises,to use high grade silver on items could cause an artist even to get beheaded, and people were urged to bring their silver things to government. So, for antiques, it is perhaps normal that silver has a higher effect on market price of an item than its own raw material price.
regards

erlikhan · 21st April 2005, 11:03 PM

sorry,took long time but here are the results of jeweller check as i promised.
the cross guard is silver plating over brass as you said. (some say it may be counted as positive ,as shows it is a real militaristic sword with classical hard brass protections of kilij guards ,instead of soft silver)the patinations of brass and silver seems to confuse me. But no mistake about the scabbard. it is high grade silver, and gold plating, most of which has gone and there are only remnants. the grip strap is silver too.
regards

Radu Transylvanicus · 22nd April 2005, 02:55 AM

Hopping to make a your day better, I am posting this very bad picture (with very good intentions...) that I took illegaly at a museum in Timisoara, about Transylvanian history. This type seems to have been popular in the late 18th early 19th century in the Ottoman sphere of influence, in this case a border tampon region , like Transylvania or Banat. The blade and scabbard differs quite a bit from yours but the crossguard is much the same, specially the disputed material ...

ariel · 22nd April 2005, 02:12 PM

Radu,
What is "border tampon region"?
I have a lot of thoughts flashing through my brain, but none are fit to print.

Radu Transylvanicus · 23rd April 2005, 08:39 PM

hahaha

... yes it sounds odd, I guess its a mot-a-mot translated expression meaning ,"buffer zone" a transitional region where influences from two or more larger powers clash or diverge ... dig it ?

erlikhan · 25th June 2005, 09:53 PM

Gone in 60 days. Sold this beauty for a 60 % profit

. I hope I can find a new one with the same specialities and price as soon as possible

21st April 2005, 11:03 PM	#2
erlikhan Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Istanbul Posts: 452	sorry,took long time but here are the results of jeweller check as i promised. the cross guard is silver plating over brass as you said. (some say it may be counted as positive ,as shows it is a real militaristic sword with classical hard brass protections of kilij guards ,instead of soft silver)the patinations of brass and silver seems to confuse me. But no mistake about the scabbard. it is high grade silver, and gold plating, most of which has gone and there are only remnants. the grip strap is silver too. regards Last edited by erlikhan; 21st April 2005 at 11:13 PM.

22nd April 2005, 02:55 AM	#3
Radu Transylvanicus Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: 2008-2010 Bali, 1998-2008 USA Posts: 271	Hopping to make a your day better, I am posting this very bad picture (with very good intentions...) that I took illegaly at a museum in Timisoara, about Transylvanian history. This type seems to have been popular in the late 18th early 19th century in the Ottoman sphere of influence, in this case a border tampon region , like Transylvania or Banat. The blade and scabbard differs quite a bit from yours but the crossguard is much the same, specially the disputed material ... Attached Images

25th June 2005, 09:53 PM	#6
erlikhan Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Istanbul Posts: 452	Gone in 60 days. Sold this beauty for a 60 % profit . I hope I can find a new one with the same specialities and price as soon as possible Last edited by erlikhan; 26th June 2005 at 12:12 PM.

12th April 2005, 09:55 PM	#1
erlikhan Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Istanbul Posts: 452	Thank you very much. Yes in fact silver is usually accepted as something so special, but what would it cost if the artist used even 1 pound of pure silver? Would not add much to total cost. The level of workmanship and general condition must be much more important. But, in past, it was comparably more expensive as was used in coins and was monetarily important.So,was a prestige sign. When there were wars and economical crises,to use high grade silver on items could cause an artist even to get beheaded, and people were urged to bring their silver things to government. So, for antiques, it is perhaps normal that silver has a higher effect on market price of an item than its own raw material price. regards

22nd April 2005, 02:12 PM	#4
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Radu, What is "border tampon region"? I have a lot of thoughts flashing through my brain, but none are fit to print.

23rd April 2005, 08:39 PM	#5
Radu Transylvanicus Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: 2008-2010 Bali, 1998-2008 USA Posts: 271	hahaha ... yes it sounds odd, I guess its a mot-a-mot translated expression meaning ,"buffer zone" a transitional region where influences from two or more larger powers clash or diverge ... dig it ?