Voodoo doll

David · 16th November 2008, 02:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Dajak

Hi David why you think Voodoo Dolls don t exist ??

Well Ben, because i know a fair bit about the Vodoun religion, having many close friends who are actual initiates, and it is not a part of the religion, merely a Hollywood stereotype.

VVV · 16th November 2008, 02:49 PM

David and Ben,

I don't know much about Vodoun religion but I have seen dolls like that used in Malaysia (in Gimlette and Skeat there are pictures of them).
And based on classical works on magic they seem to exist all over the world.

Michael

David · 16th November 2008, 05:40 PM

Yes Michael, dolls that are used in sympathetic magic do indeed exist all over the world in many cultures. However, they do not seem to exist as such in the Vodoun practices either in Africa or Haiti. Dolls do show up in New Orleans Voodoo a bit, but they are not the Hollywood sterotype "Voodoo doll" that you stick pins in to do harm with. This is usually what people mean when they bring up "Voodoo dolls". This is a Hollywood fabrication.

Freddy · 16th November 2008, 05:43 PM

Peter,

You will find African fetish statues in many different styles. Mostly, people think of the 'nail-covered' statues of the Kongo-tribe in Congo, like the one David showed.

But there are many other 'forms'.

Here is one of my collection. It comes from West-Africa. More exactly the Benin/Nigeria border region. It's a power statue of the Nago-tribe.

To this piece some ironwork was added to its head. If I'm correct, this has something to do with the god of thunder.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...man/f234vs.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...man/f234ks.jpg

Tim Simmons · 16th November 2008, 06:23 PM

Cameroon/Gabon. Beautiful woven cloths. So dynamic.

brekele · 16th November 2008, 10:47 PM

Stekemest , Goo goo dolls is one of favourite to listen, but some voodoo dolls are made adult affraid to see sometimes. Here are some of them.
Voodoo dolls from Java. Traditional shaman crafts.

bre.

David · 17th November 2008, 12:28 AM

Brekele, those are awesome, but they obviously aren'y "Voodoo dolls" since they do not come from Vodoun culture. Though i do find quite an interesting parallel between many of the traditions of Vodoun and the animistic traditions of Jawa.

i suggest that we stop using the term even when we are speaking of these African fetish dolls because none of them were created with the intent that is implied by the Hollywood term "Voodoo doll".

Dajak · 17th November 2008, 04:34 AM

I don't think you right on this subject David .

It is world wide that they make an puppet somethimes with nail and or hair from the person and that they try to get control over you .

It can be find in many cultures .

You should read maybe the Wali Sanga .

The spijker fetisch you show had been used to get control over some people.

And I have seen real voodoo puppets from Haiti so they exist .

I don't now what you mean with Hollywood term but there is more in this world that we now or can see directly .

Ben

16th November 2008, 06:23 PM	#5
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,844	Cameroon/Gabon. Beautiful woven cloths. So dynamic. Attached Images

16th November 2008, 10:47 PM	#6
brekele Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 208	Stekemest , Goo goo dolls is one of favourite to listen, but some voodoo dolls are made adult affraid to see sometimes. Here are some of them. Voodoo dolls from Java. Traditional shaman crafts. bre. Attached Images

16th November 2008, 02:49 PM	#2
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	David and Ben, I don't know much about Vodoun religion but I have seen dolls like that used in Malaysia (in Gimlette and Skeat there are pictures of them). And based on classical works on magic they seem to exist all over the world. Michael

16th November 2008, 05:40 PM	#3
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,211	Yes Michael, dolls that are used in sympathetic magic do indeed exist all over the world in many cultures. However, they do not seem to exist as such in the Vodoun practices either in Africa or Haiti. Dolls do show up in New Orleans Voodoo a bit, but they are not the Hollywood sterotype "Voodoo doll" that you stick pins in to do harm with. This is usually what people mean when they bring up "Voodoo dolls". This is a Hollywood fabrication.

16th November 2008, 05:43 PM	#4
Freddy Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sint-Amandsberg (near Ghent, Belgium) Posts: 830	Peter, You will find African fetish statues in many different styles. Mostly, people think of the 'nail-covered' statues of the Kongo-tribe in Congo, like the one David showed. But there are many other 'forms'. Here is one of my collection. It comes from West-Africa. More exactly the Benin/Nigeria border region. It's a power statue of the Nago-tribe. To this piece some ironwork was added to its head. If I'm correct, this has something to do with the god of thunder. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...man/f234vs.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...man/f234ks.jpg

17th November 2008, 12:28 AM	#7
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,211	Brekele, those are awesome, but they obviously aren'y "Voodoo dolls" since they do not come from Vodoun culture. Though i do find quite an interesting parallel between many of the traditions of Vodoun and the animistic traditions of Jawa. i suggest that we stop using the term even when we are speaking of these African fetish dolls because none of them were created with the intent that is implied by the Hollywood term "Voodoo doll".

17th November 2008, 04:34 AM	#8
Dajak Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 951	I don't think you right on this subject David . It is world wide that they make an puppet somethimes with nail and or hair from the person and that they try to get control over you . It can be find in many cultures . You should read maybe the Wali Sanga . The spijker fetisch you show had been used to get control over some people. And I have seen real voodoo puppets from Haiti so they exist . I don't now what you mean with Hollywood term but there is more in this world that we now or can see directly . Ben