Some late Gothic daggers

[Matchlock]

David,

Peter Finer is an antique arms & armor dealer. Some of these daggers are contained in his current online catalog:

http://peterfiner.com

Michael

[Jim McDougall]

Originally Posted by Matchlock

David,

Peter Finer is an antique arms & armor dealer. Some of these daggers are contained in his current online catalog:

http://peterfiner.com

Michael

Interesting site, and Peter Finer is an outstanding dealer who has been around a very long time! What I cant see though is if this is a current auction, which is the concern.

[Emanuel]

Hello, gorgeous daggers!

This one made my eyes bulge. It recalls the decorative scheme we see on the handles of bou-saada (khodme) daggers from Algeria, and we've seen it on some Central Asian and Indo-Persian daggers as well. Almost the same decoration of a circle within a circle, repeated along multiple facets.

The pictures below the ballock dagger show: a dagger from Iran, a khodme, a bichaq, and another khodme (I got the top three pics from older threads, the bottom khodme was mine). The circles are in some cases painted/burned, into the handle surface. None of these examples are particularly old, but it's interesting to see the pattern maintained or revived.

Regards,
Emanuel

[David]

Originally Posted by Matchlock

David,

Peter Finer is an antique arms & armor dealer. Some of these daggers are contained in his current online catalog:

http://peterfiner.com

Michael

Yes, i am well aware that Peter Finer is a dealer. This is exactly my point. If these are current auctions then they should not be discussed on the forum. It's is the forum rules if you haven't read them.

[stekemest]

Almost the same decoration of a circle within a circle, repeated along multiple facets.

That "cirle within a cirle"-decoration can be seen on many celtic artifacts and, somehow, reappears around the 13th/14th century to be in use throughout the late middle ages. I could well imagine that the eastern and western pieces with that decoration have the same origin in prehistorical times.

btw, here's one of my gothic daggers. A rather rare piece from the first half of the 15th century, German, blade maybe shortened. I will start working on a replica soon.

[Gonzalo G]

!Muchas gracias, Manuel! I got them all! Now, I have your daggers.
Un abrazo

Gonzalo

[G. McCormack]

AFAIK, Finer just groups his items by price on his website. I dont think there is a need to get up in arms, so to speak.

Interesting to see the leatherwork on some of those daggers.

He used to send out some catalogs for free, now they cost a bit but are quite lovely.
If I had tens of thousands of dollars, I could maybe vouch for the items and not just the catalogs

Always interesting to see similar decorations on pieces from different places, but of course, a circle within a circle...about as simple and logical as you can get from a human craftsman, yes?

[stekemest]

It is quite simple, yes, but every decoration is an expression of style. You can't imagine such a decoration in Chinese art for example. On the other hand, you won't find the simple stroke-decoration of neolithic ceramics on medieval or later pieces. A single unit of decoration can be as simple as possible, but it is only used if it fits the style of a certain time.
there speaks the art historian...

[Matchlock]

David,

I can see your point. I did not mean to do wrong. Sorry.

Michael

[Ed]

Originally Posted by David

Yes, i am well aware that Peter Finer is a dealer. This is exactly my point. If these are current auctions then they should not be discussed on the forum. It's is the forum rules if you haven't read them.

Hi.

Peter is a dealer, not an auction house. But I am curious, can you point me to the rules? Can't seem to find 'em.