Mexican Presentation Sword?

[celtan]

Naive horses? And you can ID them by appearance?


I wonder how the racy, world-savvy type then look. Red Horse-shoes with tall heels?



Just Kidding Gonzalo, couldn't help myself.

Interesting the note on the reasons behind the rounded blade...

Best regards & Saludos.



Manolo

Originally Posted by Gonzalo G

Yes, it is a typical machete from México. The blade very probably came from a common machete known as "acapulqueño" (from the port of Acapulco, on the State of Guerrero coast), even from a Collins machete like the one shown above. Those blades are remounted like kronckew´s, in the old mexican fashion. A tourist item, since the old fighting machetes mounted like this were slender. And not expensive. The tip of the original machete is just like this, and not pointed. It is used traditionally on the sugar cane cutting labour. The design originally is not mexican. It was adopted because it permits a long life throught continous re-sharpening, and the balance helps in cutting several sugar canes with one stroke. I don´t think the mounting has any silver, though the real old mountings used to have it. Those are naive style horses. We don´t have llamas.
Regards

Gonzalo

[Gonzalo G]

Manolo, the naive or naif movement in painting (please see the Naive School in the history of art), used to represent figures in a very simple manner, almosto childish, just like on the popular art. The use of the colors was also very simple. The most known painter in this movement was el Aduanero Rousseau (Henri Rousseau). That´s what I meant with "naive horses".
Un abrazo, amigo.

Gonzalo

[celtan]

Good answer!

To me, they just look native, but its probably because of my artistically untrained eye. Or it might be cuz' I'm tres naif myself.

Tomate una cerveza fria a mi nombre!

: )

Manolo

Originally Posted by Gonzalo G

Manolo, the naive or naif movement in painting (please see the Naive School in the history of art), used to represent figures in a very simple manner, almosto childish, just like on the popular art. The use of the colors was also very simple. The most known painter in this movement was el Aduanero Rousseau (Henri Rousseau). That´s what I meant with "naive horses".
Un abrazo, amigo.

Gonzalo

[kronckew]

horsey motif's appear to fairly common decorations, as in this punal which i feel may be Brazilian.


there are also silhouettes of 'naive' horses and cattle etched on the blade.

[celtan]

Actually, horses and their images were very common motifs in very early galician-spanish lore, weapons and shields. The old celtic religions in Galicia had a horse goddess named Epona, or something similar.

Best

M

Originally Posted by kronckew

horsey motif's appear to fairly common decorations, as in this punal which i feel may be Brazilian.


there are also silhouettes of 'naive' horses and cattle etched on the blade.

[Gonzalo G]

Yes, the horse had an important iconographical, social and military role on the old iberic cultures.

The puñal criollo seems to be uruguyan.

¿Eres gallego, Manolo?

My best regards

Gonzalo

[kronckew]

thanks, gonzalo. i figured it was brazilian or uruguayan from the button cover, and was just guessing brazil as it seemed more likely. there is a bugle etched into the ricasso which i assume is a makers mark. uruguayan would be more interesting as i suspect it'd be a bit more uncommon here in the UK i'd posted it before & you were kind enough to comment on it as a traditionally made punal, but we'd not discussed where it was from.

Originally Posted by celtan

Actually, horses and their images were very common motifs in very early galician-spanish lore, weapons and shields. The old celtic religions in Galicia had a horse goddess named Epona, or something similar.

Best

M

my maternal grandmother was from galicia - however, her's was part of the austro-hungarian empire at the time, it's now divided between poland and the ukraine. celts got around.