A unique 1530's tinder snap-lock haquebut

Matchlock · 2nd November 2008, 12:08 AM

From the Maximilianische Zeugbücher, illustrated in watercolors by Jörg Kölderer et.al., Innsbruck, ca., 1505-7.

In former posts I mentioned the colors red and green as being especially characteristic of clothes and arts and crafts of the late Gothic/early Renaisssance periods.

Michael

Ister · 22nd December 2014, 08:16 AM

Hello everyone! Now i'm attenpting to make something like replica of this gun, and I've met a dilemma concerning its colour. It is obviously seen that under a layer of green paint there is dark wood toning. I wonder whether it might be an original stock colour, and paint layer is just more recent, like in Vienna museum, or the wooden surface could be treated to such tone under exposure of oil (or somewhat other) paint.

This is the only stock I found that is painted in such a bright colour, and i've found pretty few images showing coloured guns - all from "Bartholomaeus Freysleben: Inventarium über Büchsen und Zeug im Kaiserreich zur Zeit Maximilians I. Innsbruck 1495-1500."

Maybe you could help me to determine whether to paint the stock green or just to tone it dark.

Thank for attention. If it is interesting, I'll show photos of my replica after I'll finish

Matchlock · 22nd December 2014, 11:05 AM

Hi Ister,

Welcome to the forum.

For a contemporary short Landsknecht snap tinderlock arquebus, ca. 1525-30, the stock also painted green, please see my thread:
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...oto=nextnewest

and here:
https://www.pinterest.com/pin/329185053984236124/

I have done research on several 500-year-old guns with stocks painted either in a darker or lighter green or reddish, and I did extensive research on both this haquebut and that short arquebus, including scratching off tiny particles of their paint - both were absolutely original; the wood underneath the layer of paint in both cases was limewood, and it looked rather dark.

The problem is that medieval layers of pain on caskets and other furniture have never been researched in laboratories, let alone varnishes on weapons. So we actually know very little about their consistency and the treatment of the wood underneath 500 years ago.

Best,
Michael

Ister · 22nd December 2014, 12:13 PM

Thank you Michael! Now I'm sure paint it green)

Paul

2nd November 2008, 12:08 AM	#1
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	500 year old guns with green stocks From the Maximilianische Zeugbücher, illustrated in watercolors by Jörg Kölderer et.al., Innsbruck, ca., 1505-7. In former posts I mentioned the colors red and green as being especially characteristic of clothes and arts and crafts of the late Gothic/early Renaisssance periods. Michael Attached Images

22nd December 2014, 11:05 AM	#3
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	Hi Ister, Welcome to the forum. For a contemporary short Landsknecht snap tinderlock arquebus, ca. 1525-30, the stock also painted green, please see my thread: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...oto=nextnewest and here: https://www.pinterest.com/pin/329185053984236124/ I have done research on several 500-year-old guns with stocks painted either in a darker or lighter green or reddish, and I did extensive research on both this haquebut and that short arquebus, including scratching off tiny particles of their paint - both were absolutely original; the wood underneath the layer of paint in both cases was limewood, and it looked rather dark. The problem is that medieval layers of pain on caskets and other furniture have never been researched in laboratories, let alone varnishes on weapons. So we actually know very little about their consistency and the treatment of the wood underneath 500 years ago. Best, Michael Attached Images Last edited by Matchlock; 22nd December 2014 at 11:54 AM.

22nd December 2014, 08:16 AM	#2
Ister Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Ukraine, Zaporizhzhya Posts: 2	Hello everyone! Now i'm attenpting to make something like replica of this gun, and I've met a dilemma concerning its colour. It is obviously seen that under a layer of green paint there is dark wood toning. I wonder whether it might be an original stock colour, and paint layer is just more recent, like in Vienna museum, or the wooden surface could be treated to such tone under exposure of oil (or somewhat other) paint. This is the only stock I found that is painted in such a bright colour, and i've found pretty few images showing coloured guns - all from "Bartholomaeus Freysleben: Inventarium über Büchsen und Zeug im Kaiserreich zur Zeit Maximilians I. Innsbruck 1495-1500." Maybe you could help me to determine whether to paint the stock green or just to tone it dark. Thank for attention. If it is interesting, I'll show photos of my replica after I'll finish

22nd December 2014, 12:13 PM	#4
Ister Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Ukraine, Zaporizhzhya Posts: 2	Thank you Michael! Now I'm sure paint it green) Paul