Unusual African Broadsword

[Jim McDougall]

Originally Posted by stephen wood

...come to think of it, the blade would not be out of place on a Scots basket hilt - German trade blades hilted locally and sold on to tribal people...

Well observed Stephen.....the incredible German sword blade machine indeed produced blades for international clientele, and it is well established that virtually all the blades on Scottish baskethilts were 'Grosse Schotten' , the heavy broadsword blades for the Scots. The age of the true Scottish basket hilt however came to a close with the tragic '45 (the Scottish Jacobite Rebellion of 1745), and the proscription of all Scottish weaponry....even the stirring bagpipes!!!

Best regards,
Jim

[stephen wood]

...I took the sword in to show some of my students - a man from Guinea whose first language is Bambara had seen the type before and he called it a sabre (French pronunciation) and said that they are worn on a sling over the arm, that is, like a kaskara. This is consistent with the fact that it is a very good fit in the scabbard so doesn't mind being upside-down and the fact that you can see the marks where rings or loops were attached. They are said to be ceremonial - this one is not sharpened - and are used as wall-hangers.

I imagine it may originally have been decorated as per curved Manding swords - there appears to be a very worn maker's mark - maybe a knight's head (Kirschbaum?) - but this might be a patch of wear in the place where we would expect to find one - after a little cleaning I will post an image...

[Jim McDougall]

Originally Posted by stephen wood

...I took the sword in to show some of my students - a man from Guinea whose first language is Bambara had seen the type before and he called it a sabre (French pronunciation) and said that they are worn on a sling over the arm, that is, like a kaskara. This is consistent with the fact that it is a very good fit in the scabbard so doesn't mind being upside-down and the fact that you can see the marks where rings or loops were attached. They are said to be ceremonial - this one is not sharpened - and are used as wall-hangers.

I imagine it may originally have been decorated as per curved Manding swords - there appears to be a very worn maker's mark - maybe a knight's head (Kirschbaum?) - but this might be a patch of wear in the place where we would expect to find one - after a little cleaning I will post an image...

That is excellent Stephen!! and it is exciting to hear of the interaction with students from these fascinating regions viewing a weapon from those very regions!
It is also especially interesting to hear from someone from Guinea, and his perspective. I once had a very good friend who was of Fulani tribe and lived in Guinea. He too recognized the Manding swords of the curved sabre form and termed them something like 'kota' or similar word in his language (though he of course also spoke French). These swords were invariably mounted with French sabre blades, so it would make sense that the term 'sabre' would become collectively used in reference to 'sword'.
This is a prevalent situation for example with the Arabian sa'if, which means sword, and is seen applied to any number of swords from Moroccan 'nimchas' to Sudanese 'kaskaras'.

The swords described by your student as being worn on the arm, if I understand correctly, may actually be a straight blade sword much like this, and from Mandara and associated tribes in Cameroon near the Nigerian border. While they are similar in having no guard, and a simple hilt with a type of peaked pommel, they may well have been known in Guinea, and as noted, strikingly similar to this West African sword with apparant Manding mounts.

If your student is suggesting these Manding swords were worn on the arm in the manner of these Cameroon Mandara swords I would say that though the appearance is similar, these Manding swords were not worn on the arm to my knowledge.
Although the Mandara blades worn on the arm are of considerable length, they are not nearly as long as this 'kaskara' blade would be at full length (usually about 33-36").

The kaskara of the Sudan is often worn in a scabbard over the warriors back, or slung tightly under the arm, but never on the arm. Thus perhaps by 'in a sling over the arm' your student refers to the tight underarm sling, not the armband mount....would that be correct?


I think it is great that you are bringing weapons into study, as I think they are incredibly important icons of culture, tradition and history that should be considered for the subtle artistic symbolism and features they carry rather than the grim, violent connotation often suggested. Most ethnographic weapons have become elements of traditional dress and accoutrement in modern times, and this perspective should take precedence.

All best regards,
Jim

[kahnjar1]

Not that I am that knowledgeable about broadswords, or for that matter swords in general, I see a DEFINATE similarily between this sword and the Omani Katarra. The hilt particularly is almost identical.
I have seen continental blades on MANY Ethiopian swords and in fact if you go to www.ancient-east.com/collection many of these are shown.

[Jim McDougall]

Originally Posted by kahnjar1

Not that I am that knowledgeable about broadswords, or for that matter swords in general, I see a DEFINATE similarily between this sword and the Omani Katarra. The hilt particularly is almost identical.
I have seen continental blades on MANY Ethiopian swords and in fact if you go to www.ancient-east.com/collection many of these are shown.

Right on Stu!! The Omani kattara's seem to have often carried the same type blades used on kaskaras, and these blades probably entered the same trade routes from points of entry in the Red Sea. The influence of Omani kattaras is seen as far west as Mali in the typically mounted Manding sabres as well as our example here, in the distinct guardless hilt shape. The Moroccan s'boula daggers carried thier influence as far as Zanzibar, while the return trade routes may well have carried the Omani kattara form to Mali and clearly further west.

Its amazing how much diffusion and influence is directly related to the complex Arab trade routes, and connected to routes into inland regions on to trans Saharan trade caravans.

All the best,
Jim

[stephen wood]

...I have just found this thread:

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...durman+manding

- this piece is very similar to mine and has the typical decorations associated with Manding scabbards although unlike mine it has the usual flared end.

In this article:

http://www.victorianmilitarysociety....an_weapons.pdf

it is said that the Western Sudanic broadsword could be used two-handed - effectively a hand-and-a-half sword, whereas, as we know, the kaskara and takouba appear emphatically one-handed. The grip on mine, just over 6" and divided by a decorarive band seems to bear this out.

So perhaps broadswords were pan-Sudanic, hilted and decorated according to local custom. When an influx of different, curved blades occured, the Manding type was eclipsed whereas the takouba was hardly affected.

[Jim McDougall]

Originally Posted by stephen wood

...I have just found this thread:

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...durman+manding

- this piece is very similar to mine and has the typical decorations associated with Manding scabbards although unlike mine it has the usual flared end.

In this article:

http://www.victorianmilitarysociety....an_weapons.pdf

it is said that the Western Sudanic broadsword could be used two-handed - effectively a hand-and-a-half sword, whereas, as we know, the kaskara and takouba appear emphatically one-handed. The grip on mine, just over 6" and divided by a decorarive band seems to bear this out.

So perhaps broadswords were pan-Sudanic, hilted and decorated according to local custom. When an influx of different, curved blades occured, the Manding type was eclipsed whereas the takouba was hardly affected.

Well done Stephan!!! I had forgotten about that thread!
You present some very well placed ideas and thank you for these links offered in support. This kaskara bladed broadsword in Manding mounts AND the distinct flared scabbard tip consistant in the Sudan is key here. I had often wondered why the flared Sudanese scabbard tip was also characteristic in the Manding sabre of Mali.

Clearly there was trade connection and diffusion of weapons between the Western and Eastern Sudan, but why did the takouba remain unaffected by these features?

Your idea for broadswords being pan-Sudanic ( I like that term!) is very well placed. The broadsword blades coming into North Africa were arriving not just at one point, but a number of locations and carried into the trans Saharan routes from multiple directions, so this seems quite logical. Diffusion is by no means a set, singular pattern, and far more complex than often realized.

Excellent thoughts here Stephen, thank you so much!!

All the best,
Jim