Five kampilans: which two to buy?

Bill M · 30th October 2008, 09:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by migueldiaz

Hi Rick

So far no decision yet. It looks like I'd have a higher comfort level if I buy from forumites instead.

So, I'll just sit here and wait

Thanks/ regards.

Good idea! You can do better than these in the pictures you show.

Mytribalworld · 30th October 2008, 10:57 AM

Hi,

Not that I hurts me or anything but aren't you discussing about 5 pieces which are for sale at a dealersshop so that actually we should avoid this kind of threads?

Well anyway.... no cameras on my stand guys

VANDOO · 30th October 2008, 04:02 PM

I GUESS WE ARE TIP-TOEING ALONG THE EDGE BETWEEN THE OPEN FORUM AND THE SWAP FORUM HERE.

WE MAY BE SHOWING PICTURES OF SOME SHOPS THAT ARE IN COMPETICIAN WITH OTHERS BUT AS LONG AS WE DON'T MAKE AN ADVERTIZEMENT FOR THEM GIVING ADDRESS AND TELEPHONE INFO I GUESS WE ARE SAFE.

MEMBERS CAN ALWAYS P.M. FOR THAT INFO IF THEY WANT AND THE POSTER CAN GIVE IT OR KEEP IT SECRET AS HE PLEASES.
THIS IS LIKE A COLLECTOR ASKING QUESTIONS OF THE OLDER MORE EXPERIENCED COLLECTORS ON SOMETHING BEFORE HE BUYS IT. I USED TO ASK A LOT OF QUESTIONS OF THE OLDER DEALERS AND COLLECTORS AT GUN SHOWS WHEN I WAS YOUNG AND GETTING STARTED AND THINK IT IS A GOOD THING. IT SAVED ME FROM MAKEING SOME MISTAKES AND GETTING BURNED AS OFTEN AS I WOULD HAVE WITHOUT ANY INFORMATION. FORTUNATELY I NEVER HAD ENOUGH CASH TO GET BURNED BADLY ANYWAY

IF I ONLY HAD THE MONEY AND THE KNOWLEGE BACK THEN WHAT A COLLECTION I COULD HAVE HAD.

I ALWAYS ENJOY LOOKING AROUND SUCH SHOPS , AND AS I DON'T GET OUT MUCH ANYMORE IT IS FUN AND BRINGS BACK MEMORIES TO SEE SUCH PICTURES. SO I SEE NOTHING WRONG WITH POSTING SUCH PICTURES AS LONG AS IT DOSEN'T GET OUT OF HAND AND CLOG UP THE FORUM WORKS.
SO SELECT THE BEST PHOTOS AND DON'T SHOW THE SAME THINGS TOO MANY TIMES, IN SHORT EDIT THE POST AND ATTACHMENTS TO AVOID REPEATICION AND MAKEING THE POST TOO UNWEILDLY. GOOD THINGS WITH MODERATION AND NO ADVERTIZEING SHOULD BE THE RULE HERE. IF A FORUM MEMBER ASKS TO BE PUT IN TOUCH WITH OR FOR AN ADDRESS WITH A SHOP THIS SHOULD BE DONE BETWEEN MEMBERS OFF FORUM THRU EMAIL OR P.M.
JUST MY TWO CENTS WORTH

Rick · 30th October 2008, 04:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mandaukudi

Hi,

Not that I hurts me or anything but aren't you discussing about 5 pieces which are for sale at a dealersshop so that actually we should avoid this kind of threads?

Well anyway.... no cameras on my stand guys

As far as I know the shop owner does not post here .

We should probably let Andrew decide the fate of this thread as far as policy goes .
If you like you may use the report post feature to alert him .

Rick

I also agree with Vandoo; too many pictures do waste valuable Server space .

migueldiaz · 31st October 2008, 12:39 AM

Hi Vandoo,

Thanks for the comments and guidance!

I'm trying to delete some of the pics now, but the "Edit" button is gone in my case. [Perhaps the moderator then can do the deletion of some of the pics?

Thanks in advance.]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rick

There are no problems with importation of swords to the Philippines ?

Hello Rick,

Yes, there is no problem nor any issue in there. Thanks for the reminder just the same ... appreciate it

Quote:

Originally Posted by mandaukudi

Hi, Not that I hurts me or anything but aren't you discussing about 5 pieces which are for sale at a dealersshop so that actually we should avoid this kind of threads?

Well anyway.... no cameras on my stand guys

Hi Mandaukudi,

Thank you for bringing up this important aspect. I truly appreciate it.

I'm sure that everyone agrees that the discussion here is all being done in good faith. So there is no question in that.

But I do realize that if there will be negative comments given on the pieces displayed in a particular shop, that would sort of 'hurt' the storeowner. Though on the other hand, perhaps not really as nobody actually knows where the shop is. Just thinking out loud ...

Would you have any suggestion then on how these things can better be handled?

For sure I can do the solicitation of opinion on the pieces via PM's, or emails if I have the addresses of the forumites. But that would be tedious of course.

From your perspective then, we hope you can further share your views, or better yet give suggestions on possible approaches.

Thanks!

PS - On a related matter, a dealer of Moro swords here in the Philippines earlier emailed me pics of an ivory-pommeled kris. Just to make sure that I'm in keeping with the guidelines of the forum, can I once again post the pictures for comments? I'll do that in a separate thread if it's ok.

And given the thing on CITES, is anything related to ivory a sore point at the moment and thus posts related to it should be avoided?

Just trying to make sure I will not be stepping into somebody's toes!

Thanks again everyone. You've all been very helpful. Super.

Bill M · 31st October 2008, 01:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by migueldiaz

Would you have any suggestion then on how these things can better be handled?

For sure I can do the solicitation of opinion on the pieces via PM's, or emails if I have the addresses of the forumites. But that would be tedious of course.

Miguel,

I think that we all got caught up in your enthusiasm. We know there was no intention of wrongdoing.

However...

As I understand this, the discussion begins to border on asking public questions about pieces that are for sale. It is possible that the seller could take offense.

I'd suggest, to be one the safe, though "tedious" side, that you make specific inquiries by PM as to value and quality.

I'd think that posting an ivory handle weapon for comments would not be a problem.

The question is asking "Should I buy this one or this one and why?" Might elicit comments that a seller could find offensive.

Somehow this must have arisen in the past, prompting rules of this Forum. I'd leave the fine points to our legal moderator, whom I believe is Andrew or Mark.

hideyoshi · 31st October 2008, 02:40 AM

First of all, this forum is sure educational to new collectors and as well to those knowledgeable collectors who want to sharpened there knowledge on what they collect, very nice.

To respond to Mr. Bill Marsh's note. I had read a posting of yours regarding a Katana you were about to buy one time, and several other ethnographic weapons, shields and others. Your postings/intensions were truly plain and simple, to verify from the knowledgeable if what your about to buy is ligit? Did all this deal went thru? what happen to the sellers? I am attaching one of your previous posting

Let's let the moderators look in to this. Thnks.

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...light=japanese

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bill Marsh

Miguel,
I think that we all got caught up in your enthusiasm. We know there was no intention of wrongdoing.

However...

As I understand this, the discussion begins to border on asking public questions about pieces that are for sale. It is possible that the seller could take offense.

I'd suggest, to be one the safe, though "tedious" side, that you make specific inquiries by PM as to value and quality.

I'd think that posting an ivory handle weapon for comments would not be a problem.

The question is asking "Should I buy this one or this one and why?" Might elicit comments that a seller could find offensive.

Somehow this must have arisen in the past, prompting rules of this Forum. I'd leave the fine points to our legal moderator, whom I believe is Andrew or Mark.

VANDOO · 31st October 2008, 05:26 AM

FIRST OF ALL I WILL SAY I PERSONALLY SEE NOTHING WRONG WITH THE QUESTIONS POSTED AND THE INTENT WAS HONEST AND OPEN.
SO BEFORE WE MAKE A MOUNTAIN OUT OF A MOLE HILL AND MAKE SO MANY RULES AND REGULATIONS THAT IT EITHER BECOMES TOO DIFFICULT TO REMEMBER THEM ALL SO POSTING BECOMES A JOB INSTEAD OF FUN.
NOT BEING A MODERATOR I CAN ONLY STATE MY OPINION AND SUGGESTIONS, WEATHER YOU LIKE THEM OR NOT IS UP TO YOU

I THINK PERHAPS SOME OF US LEARNED SOMETHING FROM BILLS POST AS WELL AS MIGUELS POSTS. PERHAPS THEY COULD HAVE ALL BEEN IMPROVED.
BUT OFTEN I JUMP ON AND OFF THE COMPUTER AND THINK OF SOMETHING (AS I AM DOING NOW)

AND JUST TYPE IT OUT. I DO TRY TO GO OVER IT AND MAKE SURE IT DOSEN'T CONTAIN UNECESSARY STUFF THAT IS NOT FOR FUN OR INFORMATIVE UNLESSSS I GO TOO SLEEEP FIIRRSST.

SO WE ALL DO NEED TO MAKE OUR POSTS FAIRLY CONCISE AND EASILY UNDERSTANDABLE AND TRY NOT TO CLUTTER THEM UP TO MUCH. BUT WE ALSO NEED TO ALLOW QUITE A BIT OF LATITUDE FOR POSTS AND KEEP THE RULES AS EASY AND SIMPLE AS POSSIBLE TO ENCOURAGE NEW POSTERS TO GET THEIR FEET WET AND TO KEEP IT EASY AND UNCOMPLICATED FOR US OLD CODGERS.
WE WILL LEARN MORE FROM ONE BEGINNING COLLECTORS POST THAN FROM A THOUSAND LURKERS AND IT SEEMS THATS JUST ABOUT THE PERCENTAGES BETWEEN THE TWO. "TIME FOR BED" "HEY THATS JUST CLUTTER"

30th October 2008, 10:57 AM	#2
Mytribalworld Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 400	Hi, Not that I hurts me or anything but aren't you discussing about 5 pieces which are for sale at a dealersshop so that actually we should avoid this kind of threads? Well anyway.... no cameras on my stand guys Last edited by mandaukudi; 30th October 2008 at 11:07 AM.

30th October 2008, 04:02 PM	#3
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	I GUESS WE ARE TIP-TOEING ALONG THE EDGE BETWEEN THE OPEN FORUM AND THE SWAP FORUM HERE. WE MAY BE SHOWING PICTURES OF SOME SHOPS THAT ARE IN COMPETICIAN WITH OTHERS BUT AS LONG AS WE DON'T MAKE AN ADVERTIZEMENT FOR THEM GIVING ADDRESS AND TELEPHONE INFO I GUESS WE ARE SAFE. MEMBERS CAN ALWAYS P.M. FOR THAT INFO IF THEY WANT AND THE POSTER CAN GIVE IT OR KEEP IT SECRET AS HE PLEASES. THIS IS LIKE A COLLECTOR ASKING QUESTIONS OF THE OLDER MORE EXPERIENCED COLLECTORS ON SOMETHING BEFORE HE BUYS IT. I USED TO ASK A LOT OF QUESTIONS OF THE OLDER DEALERS AND COLLECTORS AT GUN SHOWS WHEN I WAS YOUNG AND GETTING STARTED AND THINK IT IS A GOOD THING. IT SAVED ME FROM MAKEING SOME MISTAKES AND GETTING BURNED AS OFTEN AS I WOULD HAVE WITHOUT ANY INFORMATION. FORTUNATELY I NEVER HAD ENOUGH CASH TO GET BURNED BADLY ANYWAY IF I ONLY HAD THE MONEY AND THE KNOWLEGE BACK THEN WHAT A COLLECTION I COULD HAVE HAD. I ALWAYS ENJOY LOOKING AROUND SUCH SHOPS , AND AS I DON'T GET OUT MUCH ANYMORE IT IS FUN AND BRINGS BACK MEMORIES TO SEE SUCH PICTURES. SO I SEE NOTHING WRONG WITH POSTING SUCH PICTURES AS LONG AS IT DOSEN'T GET OUT OF HAND AND CLOG UP THE FORUM WORKS. SO SELECT THE BEST PHOTOS AND DON'T SHOW THE SAME THINGS TOO MANY TIMES, IN SHORT EDIT THE POST AND ATTACHMENTS TO AVOID REPEATICION AND MAKEING THE POST TOO UNWEILDLY. GOOD THINGS WITH MODERATION AND NO ADVERTIZEING SHOULD BE THE RULE HERE. IF A FORUM MEMBER ASKS TO BE PUT IN TOUCH WITH OR FOR AN ADDRESS WITH A SHOP THIS SHOULD BE DONE BETWEEN MEMBERS OFF FORUM THRU EMAIL OR P.M. JUST MY TWO CENTS WORTH

31st October 2008, 05:26 AM	#8
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	FIRST OF ALL I WILL SAY I PERSONALLY SEE NOTHING WRONG WITH THE QUESTIONS POSTED AND THE INTENT WAS HONEST AND OPEN. SO BEFORE WE MAKE A MOUNTAIN OUT OF A MOLE HILL AND MAKE SO MANY RULES AND REGULATIONS THAT IT EITHER BECOMES TOO DIFFICULT TO REMEMBER THEM ALL SO POSTING BECOMES A JOB INSTEAD OF FUN. NOT BEING A MODERATOR I CAN ONLY STATE MY OPINION AND SUGGESTIONS, WEATHER YOU LIKE THEM OR NOT IS UP TO YOU I THINK PERHAPS SOME OF US LEARNED SOMETHING FROM BILLS POST AS WELL AS MIGUELS POSTS. PERHAPS THEY COULD HAVE ALL BEEN IMPROVED. BUT OFTEN I JUMP ON AND OFF THE COMPUTER AND THINK OF SOMETHING (AS I AM DOING NOW) AND JUST TYPE IT OUT. I DO TRY TO GO OVER IT AND MAKE SURE IT DOSEN'T CONTAIN UNECESSARY STUFF THAT IS NOT FOR FUN OR INFORMATIVE UNLESSSS I GO TOO SLEEEP FIIRRSST. SO WE ALL DO NEED TO MAKE OUR POSTS FAIRLY CONCISE AND EASILY UNDERSTANDABLE AND TRY NOT TO CLUTTER THEM UP TO MUCH. BUT WE ALSO NEED TO ALLOW QUITE A BIT OF LATITUDE FOR POSTS AND KEEP THE RULES AS EASY AND SIMPLE AS POSSIBLE TO ENCOURAGE NEW POSTERS TO GET THEIR FEET WET AND TO KEEP IT EASY AND UNCOMPLICATED FOR US OLD CODGERS. WE WILL LEARN MORE FROM ONE BEGINNING COLLECTORS POST THAN FROM A THOUSAND LURKERS AND IT SEEMS THATS JUST ABOUT THE PERCENTAGES BETWEEN THE TWO. "TIME FOR BED" "HEY THATS JUST CLUTTER"