My first kris :)

migueldiaz · 22nd October 2008, 04:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Gonzalo G

Yes, it means "Moro Islamic Liberation Front"....
Regards

Hello Gonzalo,

Thanks. And the Muslims in Mindanao also call themselves (and their homeland) "Bangsamoro".

"Bangsa" in Malay ("bansa" in Tagalog) means homeland or nation. So yes, "Moro" has been adapted by the Mindanao Muslims as the preferred term to describe themselves and their homeland.

Regards.

VANDOO · 22nd October 2008, 06:36 AM

I WOULD ALSO SUSPECT THE KRIS MAY BE ONE MADE UP OF A MIX OF OLDER AND NEWER PARTS. THE REASONS FOR THIS STATED BY THE OTHER FORUM MEMBERS SOUND VALID TO ME. IT COULD HAVE BEEN REFITTED WITH THE FLASHY GRIP AND SCABBARD LATER AND THE ORIGINAL IVORY POMEL AND BLADE USED. THIS WAS NOT UNCOMMON AS THE OTHER PARTS DO WEAR OUT AND NEED REPLACEING IN NORMAL USE. THESE KRIS WERE OFTEN PASSED DOWN THRU THE FAMILY AND AS WEALTH WAS AQUIRED THEY WERE OFTEN ENHANCED WITH IVORY, GOLD ,ECT. TO SHOW STATUS. THEY WERE NO LONGER USED FOR FIGHTING BUT DID HAVE A PLACE AS A FAMILY HEIRLOOM WORN ON SPECIAL OCCASIONS OR IN CEREMONIES. CONGRADULATIONS ITS A NICE ITEM

SINCE THE TERM MORO HAS BEEN BROUGHT UP I WILL ASK A QUESTION I HAVE BEEN NEEDING AN ANSWER TO. I AM WRITING A HISTORICAL FICTION STORY WHICH HAS MORO AS WELL AS DAYAK PEOPLE IN IT. I HAVE BEEN WONDERING IF IT WOULD OFFEND ANY GROUP IF I USE THE WORD MORO TO DESCRIBE MY CHARACTERS PEOPLE? IF IT IS NOT ACCEPTABLE THEN I WOULD APPRECIATE ANY OTHER SUGGESTIONS OF A TERM TO USE IN ITS PLACE. OR PERHAPS I SHOULD JUST MAKE UP A FICTIOUS NAME? SEEMS A SHAME THOUGH AS THEY ARE THE HERO'S OF THE STORY. THANKS IN ADVANCE.

migueldiaz · 22nd October 2008, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by VANDOO

... CONGRADULATIONS ITS A NICE ITEM

SINCE THE TERM MORO HAS BEEN BROUGHT UP I WILL ASK A QUESTION I HAVE BEEN NEEDING AN ANSWER TO. I AM WRITING A HISTORICAL FICTION STORY WHICH HAS MORO AS WELL AS DAYAK PEOPLE IN IT. I HAVE BEEN WONDERING IF IT WOULD OFFEND ANY GROUP IF I USE THE WORD MORO TO DESCRIBE MY CHARACTERS PEOPLE? IF IT IS NOT ACCEPTABLE THEN I WOULD APPRECIATE ANY OTHER SUGGESTIONS OF A TERM TO USE IN ITS PLACE. OR PERHAPS I SHOULD JUST MAKE UP A FICTIOUS NAME? SEEMS A SHAME THOUGH AS THEY ARE THE HERO'S OF THE STORY. THANKS IN ADVANCE.

Hi Vandoo,

Thanks also for your valued opinion. I appreciate it

On the use of the term "Moro" to refer to a person or people, specifically the Muslims in southern Philippines, no it will not be offensive.

I can say that definitively because I just asked a while ago a Muslim college buddy who is now a high-ranking government official in Mindanao. And he would of course be very much aware of the sensitivities of his people.

He categorically said that it is ok to use "Moro" to mean the people or Native Muslims of southern Philippines. Those were his exact words actually.

I also asked him if there is an alternative term that can be used. He didn't give any as "Moro" is fine as is.

So when do we check out Amazon.com for that book?

Regards.

VANDOO · 22nd October 2008, 07:20 PM

THANKS FOR THE POSITIVE INFO ON THE USE OF THE TERM MORO, I AM GLAD IT IS AN ACCEPTIBLE NAME TO USE. AS TO WHEN THE BOOK WILL BE FINISHED OR IF IT WILL EVER SEE PUBLICATION

I AM MAKEING STEADY PROGRESS OF LATE BUT STILL HAVE A LOT MORE PAGES TO GO TO MAKE IT THE PROPER SIZE FOR A NOVEL. I DON'T HAVE A CLUE AS TO HOW TO GET SOMETHING PUBLISHED AND WILL SEEK ADVICE AND GIVE IT A TRY. IF NOT SUCESSFUL PERHAPS I WILL GET HELP TO PUT IT ON THE WEB WHERE IT CAN BE READ. I AM JUST WRITING IT FOR FUN BUT IF ITS POSSIBLE TO MAKE A LITTLE MONEY THAT WILL BE EVEN BETTER PERHAPS I CAN BUY SOME MORE SWORDS.

kai · 23rd October 2008, 08:24 AM

Hello Barry,

AFAIK, the term Dayak/Dyak has also evolved from a mere catch-all label to a name which is acceptable to use. At least there have been political parties in Indonesia utilizing Dayak in their names...

OTOH, the majority of the readers won't be acquainted with Moro nor Dayak. Since both of these groups are pretty diverse, wouldn't it make more sense to just focus on a specific ethnic group (like Tausug and Murut) in your novel?

Regards,
Kai

22nd October 2008, 06:36 AM	#2
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	I WOULD ALSO SUSPECT THE KRIS MAY BE ONE MADE UP OF A MIX OF OLDER AND NEWER PARTS. THE REASONS FOR THIS STATED BY THE OTHER FORUM MEMBERS SOUND VALID TO ME. IT COULD HAVE BEEN REFITTED WITH THE FLASHY GRIP AND SCABBARD LATER AND THE ORIGINAL IVORY POMEL AND BLADE USED. THIS WAS NOT UNCOMMON AS THE OTHER PARTS DO WEAR OUT AND NEED REPLACEING IN NORMAL USE. THESE KRIS WERE OFTEN PASSED DOWN THRU THE FAMILY AND AS WEALTH WAS AQUIRED THEY WERE OFTEN ENHANCED WITH IVORY, GOLD ,ECT. TO SHOW STATUS. THEY WERE NO LONGER USED FOR FIGHTING BUT DID HAVE A PLACE AS A FAMILY HEIRLOOM WORN ON SPECIAL OCCASIONS OR IN CEREMONIES. CONGRADULATIONS ITS A NICE ITEM SINCE THE TERM MORO HAS BEEN BROUGHT UP I WILL ASK A QUESTION I HAVE BEEN NEEDING AN ANSWER TO. I AM WRITING A HISTORICAL FICTION STORY WHICH HAS MORO AS WELL AS DAYAK PEOPLE IN IT. I HAVE BEEN WONDERING IF IT WOULD OFFEND ANY GROUP IF I USE THE WORD MORO TO DESCRIBE MY CHARACTERS PEOPLE? IF IT IS NOT ACCEPTABLE THEN I WOULD APPRECIATE ANY OTHER SUGGESTIONS OF A TERM TO USE IN ITS PLACE. OR PERHAPS I SHOULD JUST MAKE UP A FICTIOUS NAME? SEEMS A SHAME THOUGH AS THEY ARE THE HERO'S OF THE STORY. THANKS IN ADVANCE.

22nd October 2008, 07:20 PM	#4
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	THANKS FOR THE POSITIVE INFO ON THE USE OF THE TERM MORO, I AM GLAD IT IS AN ACCEPTIBLE NAME TO USE. AS TO WHEN THE BOOK WILL BE FINISHED OR IF IT WILL EVER SEE PUBLICATION I AM MAKEING STEADY PROGRESS OF LATE BUT STILL HAVE A LOT MORE PAGES TO GO TO MAKE IT THE PROPER SIZE FOR A NOVEL. I DON'T HAVE A CLUE AS TO HOW TO GET SOMETHING PUBLISHED AND WILL SEEK ADVICE AND GIVE IT A TRY. IF NOT SUCESSFUL PERHAPS I WILL GET HELP TO PUT IT ON THE WEB WHERE IT CAN BE READ. I AM JUST WRITING IT FOR FUN BUT IF ITS POSSIBLE TO MAKE A LITTLE MONEY THAT WILL BE EVEN BETTER PERHAPS I CAN BUY SOME MORE SWORDS.

23rd October 2008, 08:24 AM	#5
kai Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 3,255	Hello Barry, AFAIK, the term Dayak/Dyak has also evolved from a mere catch-all label to a name which is acceptable to use. At least there have been political parties in Indonesia utilizing Dayak in their names... OTOH, the majority of the readers won't be acquainted with Moro nor Dayak. Since both of these groups are pretty diverse, wouldn't it make more sense to just focus on a specific ethnic group (like Tausug and Murut) in your novel? Regards, Kai