Sundang, moro kris or whatelse?

[Battara]

Elephant ivory I agree. Not Moro etching I also agree. Been glued back together - yes. Been painted - not sure but don't think so.

[Rick]

Photo six shows what looks almost like a scarf weld ?

[Flavio]

Hi Rick,

I have this other kris with something similar, but since the blade is etched in a more "moro traditional way" it is less visible

The horn handle seems also old, but maybe, as Jose says, put togheter with the pommel.... It is entirely unusual to see something like this on a moro kris.... or not?

[Battara]

Not seen a horn hilt with ivory pommel before like this, but I also have not seen everything.

[josh stout]

Originally Posted by Rick

Photo six shows what looks almost like a scarf weld ?

Is that the same as a "lap weld"?

I have seen a few on Chinese pieces.
Josh

[Amuk Murugul]

Hullo everybody,

From the photos posted, my impression is that of a Peninsular Sundang with Maguindanao origin/influence. I have seen similar etching. Pommel can be one piece with the hilt (gilded or not), if made of ebony/horn, or a separate piece of ivory. The cockatoo shape is usually more stylised (smooth). Sometimes, a cup is used instead of a ferrule. Unusual to retain the stirrup.

All the best

[Newsteel]

I do not have much knowledge about sundang but would agree with Amuk Murugul. This sundang looks Malay to me or possible Riau.

[PenangsangII]

I agree with Newsteel - the ricikan looks very Malay to me. In my opinion, it could be peninsular judging from the nyepuhan style.....and the kembang kacang

[Flavio]

Originally Posted by PenangsangII

I agree with Newsteel - the ricikan looks very Malay to me. In my opinion, it could be peninsular judging from the nyepuhan style.....and the kembang kacang

Newsteel,

sorry for my ignorance, but what is the nyepuhan style and the kembang kacan?

Thank you so much

Flavio

[David]

Originally Posted by PenangsangII

I agree with Newsteel - the ricikan looks very Malay to me. In my opinion, it could be peninsular judging from the nyepuhan style.....and the kembang kacang

Nice word "nyepuhan". I believe it refers to the temper mark left by quenching. I don't really see such a mark in the first kris shown here. Are you referring to this lastest kris Flavio posted? The mark is clear there, but that is not the kris which is under discussion.
I really don't know what can possibly be judged from the "kembang kacang" in this case as it is far too eroded to make a call on.
I have also seen this style of scabbard with Sulu kris.
I don't see anything here that would clearly indicate a peninsula origin.