1530-50 wheel-lock pistols originally belonging to the Emperor Charles

Matchlock · 21st September 2008, 09:02 PM

The barrel struck twice with the sickle mark of Bartholome Marquart the Elder of Augsburg and the date 1530.

This is the earliest dated wheel-lock firearm in the world.

Preserved in the Real Armeria, Madrid.

Matchlock · 21st September 2008, 09:14 PM

Gilt, carved and bone (not ivory!) inlaid all over.

Another personal weapon of the Roman Emperor Charles V and preserved in Madrid.

Overall lentgh 78 cm.

Michael

Matchlock · 21st September 2008, 09:55 PM

Note the original scabbards that once had accompanied the guns, and the small leather pouches attached to them for accouterments!

Although these water colors have sadly only been published in b/w, it has actually been possible to even identify a few suriving items.

On display in the Real Armeria in Madrid there are small-size color copies from the Inventario Iluminado.

So, folks, if anybody out there got contacts to the Madrid museum staff and could get me high-resolution copies - that would sure help a lot.

Michael

celtan · 13th October 2008, 01:35 PM

Sweet!

Hey Michael, would you happen to have more pics of the items in the Rael Armeria ? I'm specially interested in...actually, I'm interrested in everything, except armor.

Best

Manuel Luis

Matchlock · 20th October 2008, 12:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by celtan

Sweet!

Hey Michael, would you happen to have more pics of the items in the Rael Armeria ? I'm specially interested in...actually, I'm interrested in everything, except armor.

Best

Manuel Luis

Hey Manuel Luis,

Unfortunately photos from the Real Armería Madrid are extremely rare as they never seem to have cooperated with arms students. I regret I've got only those showing firearms.

Best,
Michael

Matchlock · 21st October 2008, 10:25 PM

Manuel Luis,

If you happen to live in Spain, couldn't you go to the Real Armería, take good photos and share them?!
That would be great!

Michael

Marc · 22nd October 2008, 01:18 PM

Michael (if I may so),
The lighting conditions of the actual exhibition layout of the Real Armería in Madrid (RAM) are not exactly ideal for photographing. It's allowed, yes, but not with tripods, and flash is absolutely forbidden. This makes things somewhat difficult when trying to get decent pictures...

The sad part is that the RAM has a very small amount of publications regarding their collection, although the extremely few they put out are of very high quality. I'm sure I don't have to point you, although it deals with a much later time period than the one you focus on, to the last work by Álvaro Soler Del Campo, RAM's curator, published in occasion of last year's exhibition on their collection of "arquebuses" from Madrid's workshops. The reference for the book is:

SOLER DEL CAMPO, Álvaro (2006), "Catálogo de arcabucería madrileña (1687-1833) Real Armería de Madrid", Ed. Patrimonio Nacional, Madrid.
Hardback, Folio, 409 pp.
ISBN-10:8471204010
ISBN-13:9788471204011

The exhibition was fantastic, the actual pieces in the RAM are outstanding, and the catalog is extremely good, both from the artistic and the academic point of view. It's in Spanish, though, I have to say.

21st September 2008, 09:02 PM	#1
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	Dated 1530: the earliest of Charles V's pistols The barrel struck twice with the sickle mark of Bartholome Marquart the Elder of Augsburg and the date 1530. This is the earliest dated wheel-lock firearm in the world. Preserved in the Real Armeria, Madrid. Attached Images

21st September 2008, 09:14 PM	#2
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	Dated 1531: The world's finest pistol in existence Gilt, carved and bone (not ivory!) inlaid all over. Another personal weapon of the Roman Emperor Charles V and preserved in Madrid. Overall lentgh 78 cm. Michael Attached Images

21st September 2008, 09:55 PM	#3
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	Charles V's Inventario Iluminado Note the original scabbards that once had accompanied the guns, and the small leather pouches attached to them for accouterments! Although these water colors have sadly only been published in b/w, it has actually been possible to even identify a few suriving items. On display in the Real Armeria in Madrid there are small-size color copies from the Inventario Iluminado. So, folks, if anybody out there got contacts to the Madrid museum staff and could get me high-resolution copies - that would sure help a lot. Michael Attached Images

13th October 2008, 01:35 PM	#4
celtan Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: PR, USA Posts: 679	Sweet! Hey Michael, would you happen to have more pics of the items in the Rael Armeria ? I'm specially interested in...actually, I'm interrested in everything, except armor. Best Manuel Luis

21st October 2008, 10:25 PM	#6
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	Manuel Luis, If you happen to live in Spain, couldn't you go to the Real Armería, take good photos and share them?! That would be great! Michael

22nd October 2008, 01:18 PM	#7
Marc Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Madrid / Barcelona Posts: 256	Michael (if I may so), The lighting conditions of the actual exhibition layout of the Real Armería in Madrid (RAM) are not exactly ideal for photographing. It's allowed, yes, but not with tripods, and flash is absolutely forbidden. This makes things somewhat difficult when trying to get decent pictures... The sad part is that the RAM has a very small amount of publications regarding their collection, although the extremely few they put out are of very high quality. I'm sure I don't have to point you, although it deals with a much later time period than the one you focus on, to the last work by Álvaro Soler Del Campo, RAM's curator, published in occasion of last year's exhibition on their collection of "arquebuses" from Madrid's workshops. The reference for the book is: SOLER DEL CAMPO, Álvaro (2006), "Catálogo de arcabucería madrileña (1687-1833) Real Armería de Madrid", Ed. Patrimonio Nacional, Madrid. Hardback, Folio, 409 pp. ISBN-10:8471204010 ISBN-13:9788471204011 The exhibition was fantastic, the actual pieces in the RAM are outstanding, and the catalog is extremely good, both from the artistic and the academic point of view. It's in Spanish, though, I have to say.