saber engraving

Tim Simmons · 6th April 2005, 05:32 PM

Is a Latin motto on a Russian blade, a French influence on Russian officer class more than Prussian?Tim

wolviex · 6th April 2005, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Tim Simmons

Is a Latin motto on a Russian blade, a French influence on Russian officer class more than Prussian?Tim

Blade is refitted to the russian hilt, and probably is a little older. It's hard to say for sure, but there is conjecture this blades were made in Germany (Solingen?) just as Pandur's ones and "Vivat hussar's ones". In Poland used as a patriotic. There was a great French influence all over the Eastern Europe. Don't mind Poland, which fought side by side with Napoleon, but French was court language in Russia for example.

Perkun: is there anything on the back of the blade? - I mean opposite side to the edge.

Regards!

Perkun · 7th April 2005, 03:45 AM

Hi, Here is the spine of the blade. Not a tipical smal scroll.

wolviex · 7th April 2005, 09:01 PM

Thank you Perkun for this photo! This is just what I expected to see - an arrow on the back of the blade! On my sabre is the same thing! And this mean (except the other engravings) our blades are from the same workshop - no doubt.

The problem is: WHAT IS IT - THIS ARROW. In some old catalogs blades with such arrows (on sabres, hangers, pallashes) are described as Solingen - does anybody have any Idea?

Perkun · 8th April 2005, 06:43 PM

Hi Wolviex,
Perhaps you are correct thinking it a Solingen manufacture, I suspect that too, but one thing troubles me, The Sacred Heart is a Catholic symbol, Germany was Protestant, would they have used this symbol even on export blades given strong antipathy between the two religions at that time?
Wouldn't a Polish maker be more likely? In that case it would have to be one of the larger, established manufacturies as the quality of the blade is very good.

I think it is safe to assume that the engraving was done at the time of manufacture, the blades are identical in shape, and so are the engravings.

7th April 2005, 03:45 AM	#3
Perkun Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 45	Hi, Here is the spine of the blade. Not a tipical smal scroll. Attached Images

7th April 2005, 09:01 PM	#4
wolviex Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Poland, Krakow Posts: 418	ARROWS Thank you Perkun for this photo! This is just what I expected to see - an arrow on the back of the blade! On my sabre is the same thing! And this mean (except the other engravings) our blades are from the same workshop - no doubt. The problem is: WHAT IS IT - THIS ARROW. In some old catalogs blades with such arrows (on sabres, hangers, pallashes) are described as Solingen - does anybody have any Idea?

6th April 2005, 05:32 PM	#1
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,855	Is a Latin motto on a Russian blade, a French influence on Russian officer class more than Prussian?Tim

8th April 2005, 06:43 PM	#5
Perkun Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 45	Hi Wolviex, Perhaps you are correct thinking it a Solingen manufacture, I suspect that too, but one thing troubles me, The Sacred Heart is a Catholic symbol, Germany was Protestant, would they have used this symbol even on export blades given strong antipathy between the two religions at that time? Wouldn't a Polish maker be more likely? In that case it would have to be one of the larger, established manufacturies as the quality of the blade is very good. I think it is safe to assume that the engraving was done at the time of manufacture, the blades are identical in shape, and so are the engravings.