Help on small dagger

FenrisWolf · 11th September 2008, 06:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Montino Bourbon

I have a dagger with the same grip and fullered/sculpted blade. Been in my family a very long time. A really excellent blade.

Is yours thickened at the tip, as in armor-piercing?

Not as such, more overall; blade is 3/16" thick at the cut work and only tapers slightly over the length of the blade, still 1/8" thick at less than 1/2" from the point. Overall dimensions: 4" hilt, 4 5/8" blade, 7/8" wide at widest point. Thanks everyone for all the information!

I will try and take a better picture of the proofmark tomorrow basically it's a stylized man's face with waxed moustachios, a long thin goatee, and long hair patred in the middle, with the brass proomark being the center of the face. The eyes, eyebrows and nose are indicated, but no mouth.

Gonzalo G · 11th September 2008, 06:31 AM

I think the doble headed eagle comes from the northern border of Italy, from the austrian House of the Habsburgs. Just on the other side of the fence of what it was the Republic of Venice. Looks like a woman´s dagger, or a dagger used on concealment.
Regards

Gonzalo

Atlantia · 11th September 2008, 11:27 PM

Have a look about half way down this page for a similar piece, with a little crossguard and not anywhere near as elaborate:
Dagger

Atlantia · 12th September 2008, 02:22 PM

Here's another similar one in a book.

It's described as: Peasant knife from southern Europe with bone grip embellished with small brass studs. Overall length 13 inches. Blade 8 inches. Spanish or Italian early 19th century.

They certainly seem to be a southern European style. Yours seems rather special compared to these others.

Regards
Gene

Jim McDougall · 12th September 2008, 07:12 PM

Nicely done Gene! That center dagger sure looks like the form, and it would seem to place Southern Europe. I think one of the most difficult identifications is between Spanish and Italian weapons with the Spanish provinces there. Whatever the case they are always beautiful examples!

Paul Macdonald · 12th September 2008, 08:05 PM

Great research coming in from all!

This certainly seems to be a specific form of European dagger. I`d like to know if there was a specific name for it. Shall contact Italian friends and ask!

All the best,

Macdonald

Atlantia · 13th September 2008, 02:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim McDougall

Nicely done Gene! That center dagger sure looks like the form, and it would seem to place Southern Europe. I think one of the most difficult identifications is between Spanish and Italian weapons with the Spanish provinces there. Whatever the case they are always beautiful examples!

Thanks Jim, Its nice to be of some small help for a change, instead of my endless newbie questions about ethnic stuff! :-)

Regards
Gene

Gonzalo G · 16th September 2008, 07:04 AM

There are still a conexion among the spanish Habsburgs and the south of Itay. The decorations often survive in spite of the pollitical changes.
Regards

Gonzalo

11th September 2008, 06:31 AM	#2
Gonzalo G Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Nothern Mexico Posts: 458	I think the doble headed eagle comes from the northern border of Italy, from the austrian House of the Habsburgs. Just on the other side of the fence of what it was the Republic of Venice. Looks like a woman´s dagger, or a dagger used on concealment. Regards Gonzalo

11th September 2008, 11:27 PM	#3
Atlantia Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: The Sharp end Posts: 2,928	Have a look about half way down this page for a similar piece, with a little crossguard and not anywhere near as elaborate: Dagger

12th September 2008, 02:22 PM	#4
Atlantia Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: The Sharp end Posts: 2,928	Here's another similar one in a book. It's described as: Peasant knife from southern Europe with bone grip embellished with small brass studs. Overall length 13 inches. Blade 8 inches. Spanish or Italian early 19th century. They certainly seem to be a southern European style. Yours seems rather special compared to these others. Regards Gene

12th September 2008, 07:12 PM	#5
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,661	Nicely done Gene! That center dagger sure looks like the form, and it would seem to place Southern Europe. I think one of the most difficult identifications is between Spanish and Italian weapons with the Spanish provinces there. Whatever the case they are always beautiful examples!

12th September 2008, 08:05 PM	#6
Paul Macdonald Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Edinburgh, Scotland Posts: 48	Great research coming in from all! This certainly seems to be a specific form of European dagger. I`d like to know if there was a specific name for it. Shall contact Italian friends and ask! All the best, Macdonald

16th September 2008, 07:04 AM	#8
Gonzalo G Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Nothern Mexico Posts: 458	There are still a conexion among the spanish Habsburgs and the south of Itay. The decorations often survive in spite of the pollitical changes. Regards Gonzalo