First Keris acquired

Rick · 18th August 2008, 03:07 PM

The handle is quite nice; I think I see the remains of a finish; is it painted or gilded Scratch ?

I can see pamor but it looks very minimal and scattered; or maybe it's just the picture ?
What staining solution was used ?
Warangan ?

Rick

scratch · 18th August 2008, 11:55 PM

Rick,
The mix I used for staining was white arsenic and lime juice/warangan. I may have made the paste to runny. I sat mix for 15 mins. Left mix on blade for 15 mins, rinsed, then reapplied mix. Left for 15 mins rinsed, dried. This was my first attempt and any advice will be gratefully received. I had thought pamor came in both minimal and intricate forms?
Indeed, My camera skills/tools are not the best, I do try.
The handle may have had some black substance on it that has been removed

I cant be sure.
I have a Bali/Lombok piece that also needs staining.
Thanks for your interest Rick

Cheers,

Dan

A. G. Maisey · 19th August 2008, 12:57 AM

Scratch, somewhere in the Forum posts are instructions for staining that I wrote. I don't know where they are, but maybe somebody can help.

Staining takes time. 15 minutes + 15 minutes is not even a beginning.

The last stain job I did took over a week in pineapple juice to clean, a few hours on detailing, and then two days of staining before I was happy with the result.

The image is of a blade I made some years ago.This was a swine of thing to stain. I worked on it on and off for the best part of a week. I cleaned it off and started again more times than I can remember.

I hope you are using laboratory quality white arsenic. Industrial quality can create some pretty interesting effects, like reds and greens and yellows and blues.

Rick · 19th August 2008, 03:57 AM

I think this may be the blade Alan is referring to .

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ighlight=ligan

Battara · 19th August 2008, 04:09 AM

Didn't know there was such a huge difference in arsenics!

A. G. Maisey · 19th August 2008, 04:17 AM

Yes Rick, that's the one.

I didn't realise that arsenic quality made any difference either---until I drove myself half crazy with trying to get decent results from industrial quality.

scratch · 19th August 2008, 11:04 AM

G'day,
A G Maisy,
Thank you for your words

Unfortunately windows of opportunity for this particular staining process are not frequent. I will be patient. I will find staining thread with search again. I have Freys book. I believe it to be laboratory arsenic trioxide. It produces black? I will check with source, thanks for the alert.
What a lovely blade!
The dapor is meaningful in intent/Looks good. The requirements to forge such art are unknown to me. Thank you for sharing

What is this bade dapor called? Is it chengkrong?
The blade I posted does look nice in a Java handle.
Hello Battara,
Cheers,

Dan

18th August 2008, 03:07 PM	#1
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,365	The handle is quite nice; I think I see the remains of a finish; is it painted or gilded Scratch ? I can see pamor but it looks very minimal and scattered; or maybe it's just the picture ? What staining solution was used ? Warangan ? Rick Last edited by Rick; 18th August 2008 at 07:08 PM.

19th August 2008, 12:57 AM	#3
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,056	Scratch, somewhere in the Forum posts are instructions for staining that I wrote. I don't know where they are, but maybe somebody can help. Staining takes time. 15 minutes + 15 minutes is not even a beginning. The last stain job I did took over a week in pineapple juice to clean, a few hours on detailing, and then two days of staining before I was happy with the result. The image is of a blade I made some years ago.This was a swine of thing to stain. I worked on it on and off for the best part of a week. I cleaned it off and started again more times than I can remember. I hope you are using laboratory quality white arsenic. Industrial quality can create some pretty interesting effects, like reds and greens and yellows and blues. Attached Images

18th August 2008, 11:55 PM	#2
scratch Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 96	Rick, The mix I used for staining was white arsenic and lime juice/warangan. I may have made the paste to runny. I sat mix for 15 mins. Left mix on blade for 15 mins, rinsed, then reapplied mix. Left for 15 mins rinsed, dried. This was my first attempt and any advice will be gratefully received. I had thought pamor came in both minimal and intricate forms? Indeed, My camera skills/tools are not the best, I do try. The handle may have had some black substance on it that has been removed I cant be sure. I have a Bali/Lombok piece that also needs staining. Thanks for your interest Rick Cheers, Dan

19th August 2008, 03:57 AM	#4
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,365	I think this may be the blade Alan is referring to . http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ighlight=ligan

19th August 2008, 04:09 AM	#5
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,316	Didn't know there was such a huge difference in arsenics!

19th August 2008, 04:17 AM	#6
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,056	Yes Rick, that's the one. I didn't realise that arsenic quality made any difference either---until I drove myself half crazy with trying to get decent results from industrial quality.

19th August 2008, 11:04 AM	#7
scratch Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 96	G'day, A G Maisy, Thank you for your words Unfortunately windows of opportunity for this particular staining process are not frequent. I will be patient. I will find staining thread with search again. I have Freys book. I believe it to be laboratory arsenic trioxide. It produces black? I will check with source, thanks for the alert. What a lovely blade! The dapor is meaningful in intent/Looks good. The requirements to forge such art are unknown to me. Thank you for sharing What is this bade dapor called? Is it chengkrong? The blade I posted does look nice in a Java handle. Hello Battara, Cheers, Dan